2LikesXray T3 2011
11-22-2011, 11:00 AM
#3676
Still struggling a bit with both of my cars, T3'11 and my T3'10. The '10 I can live with to a point since it is just running a vta.
Both almost seem hypersensitive/twitchy (more so with the vta) but the main trouble I am still having is corner speed. I can get around the slow corners pretty good thanks to all your help but I still oversteer (?) in the long corners under heavy throttle.
I am unsure if it is happening at corner entry and that is when the momentum changes, indicating too much initial steering (to me). Or if it is happening mid corner under power. If I reduce speed before the turns I can navigate them pretty clean but I am loosing ground there.
Here are my current setups.
Both almost seem hypersensitive/twitchy (more so with the vta) but the main trouble I am still having is corner speed. I can get around the slow corners pretty good thanks to all your help but I still oversteer (?) in the long corners under heavy throttle.
I am unsure if it is happening at corner entry and that is when the momentum changes, indicating too much initial steering (to me). Or if it is happening mid corner under power. If I reduce speed before the turns I can navigate them pretty clean but I am loosing ground there.
Here are my current setups.
11-22-2011, 11:23 AM
#3677
I thought that the length of this link helped set the camber gain. Short link = more camber gain.
Great idea, never thought of that! Makes sense as it will promote a little understeer/push
Great idea, never thought of that! Makes sense as it will promote a little understeer/push
11-22-2011, 11:57 AM
#3678
I received my T3 2011 today. I bought it second hand but I'm going to rebuild the car this weekend. The pistons in the shocks are the adjustable ones. Are these any good? They look handy, but I'm not sure if they are as good as normal pistons.
And the default shock oil front/rear is 350cts, but that seems pretty thin to me. I'm running the car on carpet tracks. It would be nice if someone could tell me what pistons and oils I should run to start with. And what oil is right for a gear diff? (Spec R in the rear)
And the default shock oil front/rear is 350cts, but that seems pretty thin to me. I'm running the car on carpet tracks. It would be nice if someone could tell me what pistons and oils I should run to start with. And what oil is right for a gear diff? (Spec R in the rear)
11-22-2011, 12:00 PM
#3679
The short link will give you more side bite, should help the oversteer on apex out of corner feel.
11-22-2011, 01:16 PM
#3680
I received my T3 2011 today. I bought it second hand but I'm going to rebuild the car this weekend. The pistons in the shocks are the adjustable ones. Are these any good? They look handy, but I'm not sure if they are as good as normal pistons.
And the default shock oil front/rear is 350cts, but that seems pretty thin to me. I'm running the car on carpet tracks. It would be nice if someone could tell me what pistons and oils I should run to start with. And what oil is right for a gear diff? (Spec R in the rear)
And the default shock oil front/rear is 350cts, but that seems pretty thin to me. I'm running the car on carpet tracks. It would be nice if someone could tell me what pistons and oils I should run to start with. And what oil is right for a gear diff? (Spec R in the rear)
from what i have read on this thread and now i can attest to, that running 350 oil front and rear is a good start, which i think is 30w xray. Don't stray too far from that. Pistons is all a personal preferance, it's nice to change quicky if you want. start w 3 hole open front and rear and adjust from there in the front. I'm running 35w from all away around, 3 holes open, 0 rebound
hope this helps
11-22-2011, 04:35 PM
#3681
Are many people running the 6 degree castor blocks? I have been trying them out lately and they give massive amounts of steering mid corner, but can be a little twitchy.
Our track has alot of 180 degree corners and get fantastic results with the 6 degree blocks and -.75 hexes for steering , but another track I visit has really long sweepers an the car tends to oversteer and spin out half way round the long sweepers. Could it be the hexes, 6 degree caster blocks, or maybe the short wheelbase? I love the local setup and dont want to have to change everything to get the car working at another track.
setup sheet here for testing, but when I was having the issues I was running 2.7 rear spring, and -.75 hexes all round
http://forum.teamxray.com/xform/inde...&setup=t3_2011
Our track has alot of 180 degree corners and get fantastic results with the 6 degree blocks and -.75 hexes for steering , but another track I visit has really long sweepers an the car tends to oversteer and spin out half way round the long sweepers. Could it be the hexes, 6 degree caster blocks, or maybe the short wheelbase? I love the local setup and dont want to have to change everything to get the car working at another track.
setup sheet here for testing, but when I was having the issues I was running 2.7 rear spring, and -.75 hexes all round
http://forum.teamxray.com/xform/inde...&setup=t3_2011
11-22-2011, 05:37 PM
#3683
T3 Top deck
Anyone use this one?
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Xray T3'11 Top Deck
2.0mm carbon fiber replacement top deck gives increased traction, responce and easier removal of the center shaft/spur gear assembly.
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19010 Xray T3'11 Top Deck
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Xray T3'11 Top Deck
2.0mm carbon fiber replacement top deck gives increased traction, responce and easier removal of the center shaft/spur gear assembly.
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Item #: 19010
19010 Xray T3'11 Top Deck
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11-22-2011, 07:37 PM
#3684
Havent used that one, but I have the CSO racing top deck from RCMushroom, that works fine and is around $20 from memory.
11-22-2011, 07:39 PM
#3685
Anyone use this one?
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Xray T3'11 Top Deck
2.0mm carbon fiber replacement top deck gives increased traction, responce and easier removal of the center shaft/spur gear assembly.
Cefx
1pc.
Item #: 19010
19010 Xray T3'11 Top Deck
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$26.00
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$15.60
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Xray T3'11 Top Deck
2.0mm carbon fiber replacement top deck gives increased traction, responce and easier removal of the center shaft/spur gear assembly.
Cefx
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Item #: 19010
19010 Xray T3'11 Top Deck
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$26.00
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The top deck with the holes for the steering post will have the most steering and be a little more aggressive. The "Flexi" version of this top deck should be a little less aggressive ( most like the stock top deck ). Both have the posts in them.
The Split top deck would be less aggressive and a little smoother mid corner. With the stiffer one being more aggressive then the "flexi" as well.
Flexi is due the carbon being a bi-directional carbon rather then thinner or more cut out as you may have seen with other car companies parts.
The bonus to all of the CEFX top decks is that it is easier to remove your spur. Simply loosen the 6 rear screws about half way and you can take the two spur gear holder screws out. And with a pair of tweezers you can slide the plastic bearing clamps out and the spur comes right out.
I would try the stiff top deck and/or the stiff split deck. I use the top deck as more of a tuning option rather then this one works in all situations.
Best regards,
James
PS most of the guys here have been running the top deck you listed and like it very much, me included.
11-22-2011, 10:24 PM
#3686
Anyone use this one?
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Xray T3'11 Top Deck
2.0mm carbon fiber replacement top deck gives increased traction, responce and easier removal of the center shaft/spur gear assembly.
Cefx
1pc.
Item #: 19010
19010 Xray T3'11 Top Deck
Price:
$26.00
Sale Price:
$15.60
* Marked fields are required.
Availability: In-Stock
Qty: *
Click To Enlarge
Xray T3'11 Top Deck
2.0mm carbon fiber replacement top deck gives increased traction, responce and easier removal of the center shaft/spur gear assembly.
Cefx
1pc.
Item #: 19010
19010 Xray T3'11 Top Deck
Price:
$26.00
Sale Price:
$15.60
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Availability: In-Stock
Qty: *
11-23-2011, 06:31 AM
#3687
rear diff you can run 600-2000cst, depending on your tracks bite. i'm currently running 700, i have tried 2000 and 1000. 700 feels the best and i'm running on low/med bite carpet
from what i have read on this thread and now i can attest to, that running 350 oil front and rear is a good start, which i think is 30w xray. Don't stray too far from that. Pistons is all a personal preferance, it's nice to change quicky if you want. start w 3 hole open front and rear and adjust from there in the front. I'm running 35w from all away around, 3 holes open, 0 rebound
hope this helps
from what i have read on this thread and now i can attest to, that running 350 oil front and rear is a good start, which i think is 30w xray. Don't stray too far from that. Pistons is all a personal preferance, it's nice to change quicky if you want. start w 3 hole open front and rear and adjust from there in the front. I'm running 35w from all away around, 3 holes open, 0 rebound
hope this helps
In offroad, we tend to go up 50-100cts in the front shocks because it's makes the car more stable. But you don't do that in onroad right?
The tracks I drive on are all carpet, but there's a new track in the neighbor and the grip is low pretty low. Especially in long fast sweeping corners with a brake point at the end.
The other track I drive on it bumpy and tight but very high grip. My Mi1 was traction rolling the first 2-3min after I applied traction compound.
11-23-2011, 07:27 AM
#3688
Tech Regular
Thank you! Is that 35w xray oil or an other brand? The xray oils seem very thick compared to other brands.
In offroad, we tend to go up 50-100cts in the front shocks because it's makes the car more stable. But you don't do that in onroad right?
The tracks I drive on are all carpet, but there's a new track in the neighbor and the grip is low pretty low. Especially in long fast sweeping corners with a brake point at the end.
The other track I drive on it bumpy and tight but very high grip. My Mi1 was traction rolling the first 2-3min after I applied traction compound.
In offroad, we tend to go up 50-100cts in the front shocks because it's makes the car more stable. But you don't do that in onroad right?
The tracks I drive on are all carpet, but there's a new track in the neighbor and the grip is low pretty low. Especially in long fast sweeping corners with a brake point at the end.
The other track I drive on it bumpy and tight but very high grip. My Mi1 was traction rolling the first 2-3min after I applied traction compound.
For carpet, run anywhere between 350cst-550cst.
11-23-2011, 08:58 AM
#3689
And is it a good a idea to go thicker in the front? Or the same oil all around?
11-23-2011, 09:04 AM
#3690
Thank you! Is that 35w xray oil or an other brand? The xray oils seem very thick compared to other brands.
In offroad, we tend to go up 50-100cts in the front shocks because it's makes the car more stable. But you don't do that in onroad right?
The tracks I drive on are all carpet, but there's a new track in the neighbor and the grip is low pretty low. Especially in long fast sweeping corners with a brake point at the end.
The other track I drive on it bumpy and tight but very high grip. My Mi1 was traction rolling the first 2-3min after I applied traction compound.
In offroad, we tend to go up 50-100cts in the front shocks because it's makes the car more stable. But you don't do that in onroad right?
The tracks I drive on are all carpet, but there's a new track in the neighbor and the grip is low pretty low. Especially in long fast sweeping corners with a brake point at the end.
The other track I drive on it bumpy and tight but very high grip. My Mi1 was traction rolling the first 2-3min after I applied traction compound.
I personally used Losi 35w
I know a lot of people who run heavier oil in the front, it just wasn't a good feel to me. If i were you, put the same oil, front to rear, and place the clicker pistons in the front and play around w/ the holes being open. it think it is a 5w diff in feel as you close the holes, ie 30-35, I may be wrong about that though....