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pphaneuf 09-04-2016 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by Einsman (Post 14659217)
Does anyone know for sure if the mcallister daytona concept bodies are USGT legal?

Daytona "concept"? Did you mean Daytona Prototype? If so, they are not on the approved list, no.

A club can make local decisions, of course, but for official USGT events, no.

If you like those, you might like the Colt 911 GT1 (M1136)?

shortcut 09-04-2016 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by Einsman (Post 14659217)
Does anyone know for sure if the mcallister daytona concept bodies are USGT legal?

They are not legal anymore.

flyingm 09-04-2016 07:37 AM

Quote from posted rules....

"Your Local track can always make adjustments to this rule...Please use the following if you
want deviate from the Body list for local racing
Any 190mm or 200mm body.
Body can be anybody that is NOT or HAS NOT BEEN on the ROAR T2 body list.
FWD encouraged to use FWD bodies.
Can AM or IMSA style bodies, similar to 1/12 or 1/8 bodies using an integrated wing are illegal. EX:
Porsche 962 style bodies or LeMans P1. Japanese GT OK German DTM OK
NO Trucks vans minivans school buses garbage trucks, ultility vehicles, moon landers, zambonis,golf
carts, quads, etc allowed.
No fantasy or unproduced concept vehicles. If it’s not a car it’s not legal.
Track director or race promoter has the final say on legality of discontinued unlisted bodies."

Einsman 09-04-2016 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by flyingm (Post 14659367)
Quote from posted rules....

"Your Local track can always make adjustments to this rule...Please use the following if you
want deviate from the Body list for local racing
Any 190mm or 200mm body.
Body can be anybody that is NOT or HAS NOT BEEN on the ROAR T2 body list.
FWD encouraged to use FWD bodies.
Can AM or IMSA style bodies, similar to 1/12 or 1/8 bodies using an integrated wing are illegal. EX:
Porsche 962 style bodies or LeMans P1. Japanese GT OK German DTM OK
NO Trucks vans minivans school buses garbage trucks, ultility vehicles, moon landers, zambonis,golf
carts, quads, etc allowed.
No fantasy or unproduced concept vehicles. If it’s not a car it’s not legal.
Track director or race promoter has the final say on legality of discontinued unlisted bodies."

It says with integrated wing, so I wonder why it is not legal...

Edit: I see it says 'no unproduced concept vehicles', but the body I have is of the Corvette Daytona Prototype. In all reality, it's just a race version of the Corvette C6 which is mass produced and not a concept. If it's banned for that reason, then shouldn't bodies like the Cadillac ATS.V and Camaro ZR/1 made by protoform also be illegal since they are not mass produced either? Besides, the Daytona Prototype bodies provide no aero advantages over the other legal bodies. I just think it's rather silly to give the Corvette Daytona body the banhammer.

OttoKrosse 09-05-2016 10:40 AM

A good guide to help is: If you can't go into a dealership showroom and buy one it's probably not legal for GT.

MD 09-05-2016 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by OttoKrosse (Post 14660712)
A good guide to help is: If you can't go into a dealership showroom and buy one it's probably not legal for GT.

At what showroom can I buy a Protoform PFM-10?

pphaneuf 09-05-2016 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by MD (Post 14660739)
At what showroom can I buy a Protoform PFM-10?

A McLaren dealership. :D

mikel33 09-05-2016 11:42 AM

Didn't we just go through this entire discussion a few pages back?

flyingm 09-05-2016 01:02 PM

The real problem with the USGT body rules is the term "GT". Nobody has given an exact definition of "GT"....mainly because there IS NO standard definition of "GT". It's silly to go by the terminology that has been given to full size cars, since they can make up what ever they want, certainly with no regard to RC classifications.

So, therefore we have a lot of confusion as to the approval of RC bodies for USGT, not only for the racers, but for manufacturers that would like to support the class producing bodies. I certainly have no idea what is acceptable for the class. Obviously I was wrong before. Again, I'm not knocking the USGT class, I just have no clue what the basis is for the bodies.

MD 09-05-2016 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by flyingm (Post 14660851)
The real problem with the USGT body rules is the term "GT". Nobody has given an exact definition of "GT"....mainly because there IS NO standard definition of "GT". It's silly to go by the terminology that has been given to full size cars, since they can make up what ever they want, certainly with no regard to RC classifications.

So, therefore we have a lot of confusion as to the approval of RC bodies for USGT, not only for the racers, but for manufacturers that would like to support the class producing bodies. I certainly have no idea what is acceptable for the class. Obviously I was wrong before. Again, I'm not knocking the USGT class, I just have no clue what the basis is for the bodies.

I think USGT is a great class. You have a tire rule with good reasonably priced tires. The motor rule is good. You can find good motors from a low price to higher price. If you are R/C cars you familiar with the esc rule. I agree with flying. The body choices are confusing.

According to dictionary.com this is the definition:"Also called GT car, grand touring car, grand touring. Automotive.
an automobile in the style of a coupe, usually seating two but occasionally four, and designed for comfort and high speed. a high-speed, two-door model of a four-door sedan.

According to the Collins English Dictionary:gran turismo: a high-performance luxury sports car with a hard fixed roof, designed for covering long distances

If you look into real racing of full size "GT" cars , there various levels of "GT" racing. I understand the problem of coming up with a list of bodies. Many contributors to this forum understand the variety classes in real "GT" racing. I do not. There is GTE, GT2, GT3, and GT4. Within the GT4 class there is a Supersport category for some unusual roadsters. I love the Donkervoort D8GT. You have to love the name.

Why not have a category for bodies like the McAllister prototypes which resemble real GT cars like the McClaren and others?

pphaneuf 09-05-2016 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by MD (Post 14660920)
Why not have a category for bodies like the McAllister prototypes which resemble real GT cars like the McClaren and others?

Say, GT... P? Yep, GTP! :lol:

Einsman 09-05-2016 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by OttoKrosse (Post 14660712)
A good guide to help is: If you can't go into a dealership showroom and buy one it's probably not legal for GT.

I can't buy GT versions of the ATS.V or ZR/1 at my local dealership either. You need to buy GT cars via the manufacturer racing program, same as Daytona Prototypes

Rabbit0317 09-05-2016 04:15 PM

The GT means GT, GTD and GT3 style bodies. If you've ever watched a GT racing series in your life you can figure it out.

Yes you might not be able to buy an ATS.V GT car from the dealer but you can buy the car and bring it to a race shop and have it spec'd out for racing to the series rules. You can purchase a 911 GT3, McLaren GT3, 911 GT cup car and many many other brands from the manufacturer.

robk 09-05-2016 06:40 PM

Stop. Just stop.

racenut123 09-05-2016 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by mikel33 (Post 14660781)
Didn't we just go through this entire discussion a few pages back?


Originally Posted by flyingm (Post 14660851)
The real problem with the USGT body rules is the term "GT". Nobody has given an exact definition of "GT"....mainly because there IS NO standard definition of "GT". It's silly to go by the terminology that has been given to full size cars, since they can make up what ever they want, certainly with no regard to RC classifications.

So, therefore we have a lot of confusion as to the approval of RC bodies for USGT, not only for the racers, but for manufacturers that would like to support the class producing bodies. I certainly have no idea what is acceptable for the class. Obviously I was wrong before. Again, I'm not knocking the USGT class, I just have no clue what the basis is for the bodies.


Originally Posted by MD (Post 14660920)
I think USGT is a great class. You have a tire rule with good reasonably priced tires. The motor rule is good. You can find good motors from a low price to higher price. If you are R/C cars you familiar with the esc rule. I agree with flying. The body choices are confusing.

According to dictionary.com this is the definition:"Also called GT car, grand touring car, grand touring. Automotive.
an automobile in the style of a coupe, usually seating two but occasionally four, and designed for comfort and high speed. a high-speed, two-door model of a four-door sedan.

According to the Collins English Dictionary:gran turismo: a high-performance luxury sports car with a hard fixed roof, designed for covering long distances

If you look into real racing of full size "GT" cars , there various levels of "GT" racing. I understand the problem of coming up with a list of bodies. Many contributors to this forum understand the variety classes in real "GT" racing. I do not. There is GTE, GT2, GT3, and GT4. Within the GT4 class there is a Supersport category for some unusual roadsters. I love the Donkervoort D8GT. You have to love the name.

Why not have a category for bodies like the McAllister prototypes which resemble real GT cars like the McClaren and others?


Originally Posted by pphaneuf (Post 14660937)
Say, GT... P? Yep, GTP! :lol:


Originally Posted by Einsman (Post 14660966)
I can't buy GT versions of the ATS.V or ZR/1 at my local dealership either. You need to buy GT cars via the manufacturer racing program, same as Daytona Prototypes


Originally Posted by Rabbit0317 (Post 14661035)
The GT means GT, GTD and GT3 style bodies. If you've ever watched a GT racing series in your life you can figure it out.

Yes you might not be able to buy an ATS.V GT car from the dealer but you can buy the car and bring it to a race shop and have it spec'd out for racing to the series rules. You can purchase a 911 GT3, McLaren GT3, 911 GT cup car and many many other brands from the manufacturer.


:lol: This is awesome. Dialogue!


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