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Nerobro 09-10-2018 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by Hundo (Post 15296539)
Everyone at my track is running exotek p zero gt. Is that a real race car?

P-ZERO GT, clear body lexan w/ wing - Exotek Racing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagani_Zonda

Yeah... Not that pagani goes racing, but the idea is 2 door sports cars. That's what makes it different from touring cars, IIRC.

Hundo 09-10-2018 08:54 AM

Thats right, Zonda. I had one in a 1/32 slot car. I was looking at them (new to on road RC) yesterday and thought it looked familiar. That’s what happens when your 55, memory, lack of 🤔

I wanted to run a c7, but if you want to be competitive...



Originally Posted by Nerobro (Post 15296544)
P-ZERO GT, clear body lexan w/ wing - Exotek Racing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagani_Zonda

Yeah... Not that pagani goes racing, but the idea is 2 door sports cars. That's what makes it different from touring cars, IIRC.


gigaplex 09-10-2018 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by Nerobro (Post 15296544)
P-ZERO GT, clear body lexan w/ wing - Exotek Racing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagani_Zonda

Yeah... Not that pagani goes racing, but the idea is 2 door sports cars. That's what makes it different from touring cars, IIRC.

I thought it was a Zonda, but was told it's actually the Huayra

dave 09-10-2018 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by Hundo (Post 15296551)
Thats right, Zonda. I had one in a 1/32 slot car. I was looking at them (new to on road RC) yesterday and thought it looked familiar. That’s what happens when your 55, memory, lack of 🤔

I wanted to run a c7, but if you want to be competitive...




I have yet to see a "body" win a race.

Dave

Hundo 09-10-2018 09:53 AM

Haha, great point! And I want to run usgt for the realistic look.

We have a long straight into a sweeping rt hander.

Originally Posted by dave (Post 15296588)
I have yet to see a "body" win a race.

Dave


theproffesor 09-10-2018 10:40 AM


Nerobro 09-10-2018 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by gigaplex (Post 15296580)
I thought it was a Zonda, but was told it's actually the Huayra

Pagani's design language is consistent enough.. that it doesn't really matter. Hah!


Originally Posted by dave (Post 15296588)
I have yet to see a "body" win a race.

There be body rules becuase that kraken is real! Downforce matters. Drag matters. My TA07 went from scary high speed handling, to perfectly happy, with the addition of a USGT legal wing.

MikeR 09-10-2018 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by Kregger (Post 15295960)
Remember when we ran bodies because they looked cool.

People still do.... yesterdays big trophy race.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...b89c9d8b2d.png

Rcforlife13 09-11-2018 05:16 AM

So what 21.5 motors are people loving lately.

theproffesor 09-11-2018 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Rcforlife13 (Post 15297105)
So what 21.5 motors are people loving lately.

All of them. We are loving all of them. Any motor made within the last year is going to put you in the podium if you can just manage to hit the wall less than the next guy.

Could we we please stop propegating the motor of the month myth? It does not exist for 99% of drivers/racers. Any difference, perceived or real, is negated the first time you smack the boards or overshoot a corner.

jiml 09-11-2018 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by theproffesor (Post 15297141)


All of them. We are loving all of them. Any motor made within the last year is going to put you in the podium if you can just manage to hit the wall less than the next guy.

Could we we please stop propegating the motor of the month myth? It does not exist for 99% of drivers/racers. Any difference, perceived or real, is negated the first time you smack the boards or overshoot a corner.

Besides, we all know the only way to win is with a lightweight body :rolleyes:

F N CUDA 09-11-2018 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by theproffesor (Post 15297141)


All of them. We are loving all of them. Any motor made within the last year is going to put you in the podium if you can just manage to hit the wall less than the next guy.

Could we we please stop propegating the motor of the month myth? It does not exist for 99% of drivers/racers. Any difference, perceived or real, is negated the first time you smack the boards or overshoot a corner.

But if you don't hit a wall or overshoot a corner and those guys drag yer ass down the straight and drive outta yer life with their 25.5 ;) yer gonna want to know what that motor was. ;) No?
I like R1wurks stuff, motors, batteries, speedos, servos, fans just to be sure I can hit that wall or overshoot that corner as fast as anyone else. lol
Why not take some of the pressure off the driver haha

iTz Nicholas72 09-11-2018 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by Rcforlife13 (Post 15297105)
So what 21.5 motors are people loving lately.

Trinity Monster Max or R1 V16

JC3 09-11-2018 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by theproffesor (Post 15297141)


All of them. We are loving all of them. Any motor made within the last year is going to put you in the podium if you can just manage to hit the wall less than the next guy.

Could we we please stop propegating the motor of the month myth? It does not exist for 99% of drivers/racers. Any difference, perceived or real, is negated the first time you smack the boards or overshoot a corner.

This should be a god damn STICKY! Please!

Billy Kelly 09-11-2018 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by JC3 (Post 15297258)
This should be a god damn STICKY! Please!

people would still ask. It’s become part of racing

jiml 09-11-2018 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Billy Kelly (Post 15297267)


people would still ask. It’s become part of racing

What's the best motor? What's the best battery? What's the best speed control? What's the best tires? What's the best radio? What's the most aerodynamic VTA body? (Yes, someone really did ask that)

Too many people think all the answers can be found on line. No one wants to do the work to find out what works for them.

Lone Drifter 09-11-2018 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by jiml (Post 15297282)
What's the best motor? What's the best battery? What's the best speed control? What's the best tires? What's the best radio? What's the most aerodynamic VTA body? (Yes, someone really did ask that)

Too many people think all the answers can be found on line. No one wants to do the work to find out what works for them.

Yeah ,I know there are too many , " Whats the Best" questions BUT they dont want to be the people who know " What it Ain't " so people ask . I don't want to spend $100 on a Lemon motor either.. you can spend alot of money in this hobby to find out what works for You.

F N CUDA 09-11-2018 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by Lone Drifter (Post 15297299)
Yeah ,I know there are too many , " Whats the Best" questions BUT they dont want to be the people who know " What it Ain't " so people ask . I don't want to spend $100 on a Lemon motor either.. you can spend alot of money in this hobby to find out what works for You.

I guess there are those that have never asked or copied what the fast guys are using. ;)

mleemor60 09-11-2018 11:49 AM

What is the "best" is incredibly subjective whether it is barbeque, puss ah well, or kibble and bits for RC cars. The best answer that can be truthfully given is what the best that each individual has experience with. Anything beyond that starts to head in the direction of here say and an arguable point of contention.

jiml 09-11-2018 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by Lone Drifter (Post 15297299)
Yeah ,I know there are too many , " Whats the Best" questions BUT they dont want to be the people who know " What it Ain't " so people ask . I don't want to spend $100 on a Lemon motor either.. you can spend alot of money in this hobby to find out what works for You.

Ask those those questions on RC Tech and you will get as many opinions as there are registered users. Go to the local RC track and say "hey I'm new and I'm not sure what direction to go" and you'll get much better answers. Generally if you buy from a quality manufacturer you'll get very close. Buy cheap, get cheap.

DARKSIDE 09-11-2018 12:07 PM

best motor to have in any class without worries of issues with tech and very fast are the Motiv and Reedy Powered, IMO

JC3 09-11-2018 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by jiml (Post 15297359)
Ask those those questions on RC Tech and you will get as many opinions as there are registered users. Go to the local RC track and say "hey I'm new and I'm not sure what direction to go" and you'll get much better answers. Generally if you buy from a quality manufacturer you'll get very close. Buy cheap, get cheap.

I bought the "cheap" ESC and motor combo from HobbyWing. I've been very impressed with both of them. To truly buy "cheap" RC equipment, I can't even think of an ESC or motor that falls into that category and can be bought from any of the main online stores. Even HobbyKings bottom of the line offerings seem decent.

Billy Kelly 09-11-2018 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by JC3 (Post 15297361)
I bought the "cheap" ESC and motor combo from HobbyWing. I've been very impressed with both of them. To truly buy "cheap" RC equipment, I can't even think of an ESC or motor that falls into that category and can be bought from any of the main online stores. Even HobbyKings bottom of the line offerings seem decent.

I ran a Trackstar 21.5 for first year plus. Was good to learn without. Faster motor would have probably just meant more crashing while learning to race. When I did jump to an R1 motor, the difference was clear. Running exactly same pinion as the Trackstar, I improved by over 20 seconds in 5 minute race. Still 2-3 laps off the fast guys. But that’s on me, my limited experience vs guys with 10-20 years of racing.

nubs 09-11-2018 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by Billy Kelly (Post 15297428)


I ran a Trackstar 21.5 for first year plus. Was good to learn without. Faster motor would have probably just meant more crashing while learning to race. When I did jump to an R1 motor, the difference was clear. Running exactly same pinion as the Trackstar, I improved by over 20 seconds in 5 minute race. Still 2-3 laps off the fast guys. But that’s on me, my limited experience vs guys with 10-20 years of racing.

While I agree that the motor of the month things is something that can get tiring. I also have seen the truth in that some motors are significantly faster than others. One of the thoughts on fixing this problem is in creating spec motor classes. In Ripon there is talk of starting a 13.5T Reedy fixed timing class. You could do something similar with USGT.

fat500 09-11-2018 02:21 PM

NUBS oohhh yes please...we used to run a speed passion combo in RCGT fixed timing and it was awesome......I wish usvta would make usgt the same....spec zero timing sealed motors with a low cost speedo like the hw just stock fo 60$$.....class would explode

Fixed:batman:

JC3 09-11-2018 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by nubs (Post 15297431)
While I agree that the motor of the month things is something that can get tiring. I also have seen the truth in that some motors are significantly faster than others. One of the thoughts on fixing this problem is in creating spec motor classes. In Ripon there is talk of starting a 13.5T Reedy fixed timing class. You could do something similar with USGT.

USGT is doing that with the new CanAm rules.

Hundo 09-11-2018 02:22 PM

On the local level, the track should do whatever the majority of the clubs wants. I’m just getting in on road, did off road many moons ago. I love the vta, but for me they seem too slow. I know that’s what the class was adopted for but how about a mod vta, 21.5 at least. As far as what’s the fastest motor? Anything man made will have its variances, even if it’s done robotically. I’ve been racing slot cars the last 3 years and , and I could have one motor running 31k and the same brand running 30k. These are brushed motors so apples and oranges.



Originally Posted by nubs (Post 15297431)
While I agree that the motor of the month things is something that can get tiring. I also have seen the truth in that some motors are significantly faster than others. One of the thoughts on fixing this problem is in creating spec motor classes. In Ripon there is talk of starting a 13.5T Reedy fixed timing class. You could do something similar with USGT.


fat500 09-11-2018 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by JC3 (Post 15297444)
USGT is doing that with the new CanAm rules.

what are these rules? where do I find them ? tks

Billy Kelly 09-11-2018 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by fat500 (Post 15297447)
what are these rules? where do I find them ? tks


https://www.rctech.net/forum/electri...rc-series.html

its been a long running discussion. Can see both sides to the idea.

gigaplex 09-11-2018 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by fat500 (Post 15297443)
NUBS oohhh yes please...we used to run a speed passion combo in RCGT fixed timing and it was awesome......I wish roar would make usgt the same....spec zero timing sealed motors with a low cost speedo like the hw just stock fo 60$$.....class would explode

USGT isn't a ROAR class

theproffesor 09-11-2018 03:05 PM

And USGT is not “doing that with Can-Am”

Can-Am is trying to force their rule set at a few “big “ to a class that really doesn’t have a problem at the club level.

JC3 09-11-2018 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by theproffesor (Post 15297475)
And USGT is not “doing that with Can-Am”

Can-Am is trying to force their rule set at a few “big “ to a class that really doesn’t have a problem at the club level.

Sorry, maybe I didn't state that correctly. At the club level, I agree it's forced. They've succeeded. The two clubs that I race at have adopted the Can-Am motor and fixed gear rules for USGT and another class or two that I don't run in. Was it necessary? I didn't think so and voted against it. Apparently all of the other club members that voted thought it was a good idea. I think it sucks but whatever, it will be a fun RC field equalizer experiment.

theproffesor 09-11-2018 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by JC3 (Post 15297489)
Sorry, maybe I didn't state that correctly. At the club level, I agree it's forced. They've succeeded. The two clubs that I race at have adopted the Can-Am motor and fixed gear rules for USGT and another class or two that I don't run in. Was it necessary? I didn't think so and voted against it. Apparently all of the other club members that voted thought it was a good idea. I think it sucks but whatever, it will be a fun RC field equalizer experiment.

have fun renting a motor every time you go back and forth between tracks vs just using the one motor you already have!

nubs 09-11-2018 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by theproffesor (Post 15297494)


have fun renting a motor every time you go back and forth between tracks vs just using the one motor you already have!

I could see that being an annoyance. That is why the track I am at asked the racers. If its truly an unpopular idea and class, it will die anyway.

JC3 09-11-2018 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by theproffesor (Post 15297494)


have fun renting a motor every time you go back and forth between tracks vs just using the one motor you already have!

I don't think it will be fun and though I voted against it I'm willing to take part in the experiment. I haven't been in RC racing very long but I'm pretty confident about what the outcome will be. Isn't this motor rental thing a 'been there done that' RC experiment?

JayL 09-11-2018 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by nubs (Post 15297431)
While I agree that the motor of the month things is something that can get tiring. I also have seen the truth in that some motors are significantly faster than others. One of the thoughts on fixing this problem is in creating spec motor classes. In Ripon there is talk of starting a 13.5T Reedy fixed timing class. You could do something similar with USGT.

None of that would change anything. We ran a handout motor usgt class, the fast guys were still fast and some of the same motor 'appeared' to be faster than others, but were not when we swapped them. Speed is not all about motor, many other variables, including how you take the corner before the straight....

13.5 is the wrong direction anyway, the locals started a 21.5 touring class because 17.5 is 'too fast'... If you run an even faster motor all the differences will be magnified even more

You want fair and equal, run mod, simple and it's much cheaper, in batteries and motors. Anyone that thinks they can handle 13.5 can run mod

JC3 09-11-2018 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by JayL (Post 15297527)
None of that would change anything. We ran a handout motor usgt class, the fast guys were still fast and some of the same motor 'appeared' to be faster than others, but were not when we swapped them. Speed is not all about motor, many other variables, including how you take the corner before the straight....

My edit.

Hell yeah. This is so easily seen as to be funny. Any guy in my club can take my car and go .5 to a full second faster per lap than me! How the hell is a handout motor going to make it any better? Jeez.

vivo quevas 09-11-2018 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by JC3 (Post 15297528)
My edit.

Hell yeah. This is so easily seen as to be funny. Any guy in my club can take my car and go .5 to a full second faster per lap than me! How the hell is a handout motor going to make it any better? Jeez.

LoL

JC3 09-11-2018 04:30 PM

Well, it's true. Humbling yes, but it's actually helped me. I've realized that I need to focus more on my driving and a bit less on other things - like motors!

iTz Nicholas72 09-11-2018 04:32 PM

So to answer the original question get a Trinity Monster Max or R1 V16. Unless you suck at driving then don't worry about getting one of the proven faster motors 😂


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