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11-24-2011 | 05:18 AM
We have converted some oval racers to try turning right and they are now hooked on road course driving. Now if only CRCs didn't break we would have more converts but a few good hits and their chassis releases either the front bumper or the upper pod brace. That turns off some people.
11-24-2011 | 05:59 AM
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 4,337
From: Northern & Central Illinois
Oh, it's not me that breaks, I run an AE RC12R5.1 and only broke one A-arm in three years. The shop sells CRC and that's what the noobs drive. Both 1/12 and WGT.
11-24-2011 | 08:03 AM
Totally agree. For me, 1/12 racing is the class to race. It's everything you said, and more. I wish more people would give it a try, in a lot of ways it is up to the people who race it to promote it (reasonably) and help the new racers as much as possible.
The intimidation factor of 1/12 is the apparent 'voodoo' that tuning presents to the typical touring car racer, or new racer. In many ways it is less about nutting and bolting the car and more about finesse. We do everything a half millimeter at a time, and in a different manner. It's just a shame since touring car is more complicated; it's just more what I would call 'nut and bolt' tuning where 1/12 is more 'finessing the car'.
Mass sharing of tuning information is the only way to really get people over it. Someone more motivated than myself should do a wiki page dedicated to just tuning a 12scale. There is a 'tuning guide' floating around but its sort of arbitrary and doesn't explain anything in a way that it will help the new racers.
The intimidation factor of 1/12 is the apparent 'voodoo' that tuning presents to the typical touring car racer, or new racer. In many ways it is less about nutting and bolting the car and more about finesse. We do everything a half millimeter at a time, and in a different manner. It's just a shame since touring car is more complicated; it's just more what I would call 'nut and bolt' tuning where 1/12 is more 'finessing the car'.
Mass sharing of tuning information is the only way to really get people over it. Someone more motivated than myself should do a wiki page dedicated to just tuning a 12scale. There is a 'tuning guide' floating around but its sort of arbitrary and doesn't explain anything in a way that it will help the new racers.
11-24-2011 | 08:40 AM
Nicley said. That is what most of the TC or nitro guy's don't understand about 12th scale. It's all with tent's of millimeters and more "finesse" then TC or a 1:8. That's also what I like about 12th scale racing, the speed, the feel, the reaction, the finesse.
Regards Robert
Regards Robert
(Joking)
11-24-2011 | 08:46 AM
Hara, Swauger, Burch, Paul L, and many more have won at the highest level at both.
If you don't "finesse" a 1/8th, you aren't winning at that either.
I do both, I love both. When I have a bad day at 1/8th, I find myself wishing winter would come so I can break out the 1/12th.
When I am racing 1/12th while watching the winternats online, I dream of Florida and nitro fumes
And I can assure you, 1/12th even in the middle of the speedo wars costs a tenth of what a competitive big race 1/8th program does. My tire bill from the nats would get me through a season of 1/12th. The cost of my nats motor would start a newbie up from scratch in 1/12th.
If you don't "finesse" a 1/8th, you aren't winning at that either.
I do both, I love both. When I have a bad day at 1/8th, I find myself wishing winter would come so I can break out the 1/12th.
When I am racing 1/12th while watching the winternats online, I dream of Florida and nitro fumes
And I can assure you, 1/12th even in the middle of the speedo wars costs a tenth of what a competitive big race 1/8th program does. My tire bill from the nats would get me through a season of 1/12th. The cost of my nats motor would start a newbie up from scratch in 1/12th.
11-24-2011 | 09:10 AM
It's not so much that finding a good setup is crucial, as most kits out of the box have a setup that is awesome from the start.
The issue is more of teaching racers how important every facet of that setup is.
When looking at a setup sheet for your favorite 12th scale racer every detail down to the .5 millimeter needs to be followed exactly in order for that setup to be correct.
As the scale is smaller, every part of the car is magnified in importance.
This is also why finding a sturdy car that can hold a setup over time with out a lot of maintenance is key for the fun factor.
Most TC racers spend tons more time resetting, and checking over the details of a more complex car than us 12th scalers do
11-24-2011 | 09:37 AM
Hara, Swauger, Burch, Paul L, and many more have won at the highest level at both.
If you don't "finesse" a 1/8th, you aren't winning at that either.
I do both, I love both. When I have a bad day at 1/8th, I find myself wishing winter would come so I can break out the 1/12th.
When I am racing 1/12th while watching the winternats online, I dream of Florida and nitro fumes
And I can assure you, 1/12th even in the middle of the speedo wars costs a tenth of what a competitive big race 1/8th program does. My tire bill from the nats would get me through a season of 1/12th. The cost of my nats motor would start a newbie up from scratch in 1/12th.
If you don't "finesse" a 1/8th, you aren't winning at that either.
I do both, I love both. When I have a bad day at 1/8th, I find myself wishing winter would come so I can break out the 1/12th.
When I am racing 1/12th while watching the winternats online, I dream of Florida and nitro fumes
And I can assure you, 1/12th even in the middle of the speedo wars costs a tenth of what a competitive big race 1/8th program does. My tire bill from the nats would get me through a season of 1/12th. The cost of my nats motor would start a newbie up from scratch in 1/12th.
It's just fun to see the different approaches between the nitro converts and the full-time electric guys, but in the end they are just as fast.
I started with the 1/12th about 6 weeks ago and I'm really liking it. Finally a car which feels at home on a carpet track.
Two months ago I started with 1/8th (also a lot of fun) and right now I have my 1/12th handling almost identically to the 1/8th
Yes, the costs are a nice change, the fact you can use a set of tires for more then one day.
11-24-2011 | 11:40 AM
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 3,232
From: Seattle, WA
Anyone know what servo Naoto uses? Looks like an aircraft servo of some kind, Sanwa I'm guessing?
http://www.rccaraction.com/blog/2011...-winning-cars/
http://www.rccaraction.com/blog/2011...-winning-cars/
But i love my r5.2 with inline chassis car is dialed!
11-24-2011 | 11:50 AM
Anyone know what servo Naoto uses? Looks like an aircraft servo of some kind, Sanwa I'm guessing?
http://www.rccaraction.com/blog/2011...-winning-cars/
http://www.rccaraction.com/blog/2011...-winning-cars/
http://www.rc-mushroom.com/product_i...an-car-p-21691
I'm using it as well, only downside is you have to glue it to the supplied graphite plate because it's too small to be mounted to the standard servo posts.
I used some epoxy glue to mount it because with servo tape and superglue the servo became undone after a hard hit.
11-24-2011 | 11:57 AM
Anyone know what servo Naoto uses? Looks like an aircraft servo of some kind, Sanwa I'm guessing?
http://www.rccaraction.com/blog/2011...-winning-cars/
http://www.rccaraction.com/blog/2011...-winning-cars/
The mount is kinda of cool.
11-24-2011 | 08:20 PM
I know, I know, Robert and I race at the same track and two weeks ago at the EPS the nitro guys took first and third, Robert second and me seventh.
It's just fun to see the different approaches between the nitro converts and the full-time electric guys, but in the end they are just as fast.
I started with the 1/12th about 6 weeks ago and I'm really liking it. Finally a car which feels at home on a carpet track.
Two months ago I started with 1/8th (also a lot of fun) and right now I have my 1/12th handling almost identically to the 1/8th
Yes, the costs are a nice change, the fact you can use a set of tires for more then one day.
It's just fun to see the different approaches between the nitro converts and the full-time electric guys, but in the end they are just as fast.
I started with the 1/12th about 6 weeks ago and I'm really liking it. Finally a car which feels at home on a carpet track.
Two months ago I started with 1/8th (also a lot of fun) and right now I have my 1/12th handling almost identically to the 1/8th
Yes, the costs are a nice change, the fact you can use a set of tires for more then one day.