Okay, then the compounds I mentioned are a start for you... It is a matter of trying which is the best compound for the surface on your track...

@kid TT-01 - you can start with the compounds Joost K. just advised you and then depending from performance go on with others, this could be hepfull - http://bmiracing.com/bmiv4/index.php...d=15&Itemid=30

I too was one of the naysayers who was quick to claim that 1/12th scale cars won't handle with lipos because the cars need the weight of standard type batterys in order to make some grip. But I was wrong. The car I drove with the featherweight lipo and micro 1/18th speedo and tiny motor.......it drove almost identical to my normally equipped genX. So those who proclaim that we need the weight to make the cars work are just incorrect. I thought that was the case too, but having tried it, I was as surprised as anybody to find that the ultra light car worked just fine........with normal tires on it and without changing the setup hardly at all. So I do think it's at least worth experimenting with further. Obviously we race within the current rules. But the future is coming and it's probably good to not stick one's head in the sand and pretend or hope that change won't eventually find us.

so what do you guys think about running 1/12 on asphalt?

I've seen it tried - 7.4v, 380 motor - and wasn't impressed. I drove the car - wasn't impressed.

I don't believe in "can't", but I do believe in knowing which 'battles' to fight, and which not, in order to win the 'war'. Technology is out there to give close to 4.8v in a battery that is closer to the advantages of LiPo than the (alleged) disadvantages of NiMh. In order to win the 'war', I just have to wait for that technology to reach us. Why fight a 'battle' with LiPo when all I have to do is wait...?

LiPo was always a viable alternative where 6 cells were in use, hence the popularity in TC and Off-Road. However, that doesn't apply in 12th. Good for you for experimenting, and go right ahead. I would like to know how you get on. I just don't think it's a good idea, and I don't want all these threads full of people telling me I have to go LiPo in 12th when I, like tens of thousands of others, are very happy with NiMh - especially now that we don't have to run IBs.

Like Joost I believe that we have Rules and we race to them. At such time as the Associations give us an option to run another class, it will be worth trying. Until then...

Yes, but there are several relative power levels of 380 motors. I fully agree that one with too much power, like the 8kv Tekins I run in my Mod Sliders, would be too much. I'll start with a 5.4 or thereabout. I'm not sure what Novak offer with their Mongoose or what other options are out there.

As it is it sounds like you're dismissing something as unworkable after experiencing a grand sample size of ONE possible set-up. Good thing we didn't leave you in charge of inventing the lightbulb. Or the first 408 formulas that led to Formula 409 :D . If you don't feel like being the one to do the experimenting that's absolutely your perogative. Others are interested in exploring uncharted territory a bit. No harm in that at all. Who knows, we might find something that WOULD impress you.


Who's talking about a war? Don't misunderstand--I LOVE 1/12 and, believe it or not, have run my good ol' IB4200's right up to now with nary a problem (a bit maintenance-intensive, but have been very good batteries for me). I'm not at all dissatisfied with the state of NiMH racing in 1/12, I just think there can be a means of racing with less maintenance and less crash damage (though I don't experience much of this) due to lighter cars. Add in less tire wear, etc and there may be a lot to gain.

I don't think anyone, anyone credible anyway, is telling anyone else they have to do anything. You are 100% correct, the sanctioning bodies world wide 100% support sub-C power. The only way that will EVER change is if a viable alternative is found and then enough people adopt that alternative. Even then (and certainly "if"), I would foresee it being a very gradual, evolutionary change.

KEEP IN MIND...I have never advocated, nor do I anticipate doing so, trying to create some sort of parity between existing tech 1/12 and "new" tech 1/12. I see existing 1/12 racing along for at least the next few years pretty much as-is. Who knows, though...if a workable alternative is found perhaps there's room at the collective table for an alternative 1/12 class to run in conjunction with the existing. But that's down the road. My hope for the near-term is to find a way to make this work for our local club and for any other clubs that might want to try. No one is trying to pee in your Cheerios--you just keep doin' it the way you want to do it, secure in the knowledge that the sanctioning bodies are backing you all the way. For now.

I agree with you for the most part. I'm not telling anyone they have to go lipo and for racing, MiMH is definitely the way to go. My interest in it is simply as something to play with over the winter to keep the driving sharp and experiment with some new tech. Others may have a different agenda but that is mine.

Racing associations/sanctioning bodies don't start up new classes out of the blue...they put them in place because somebody is allready running it and it is gaining enough popularity to be a rules set at a national level. That doesn't happen without someone experimenting first. Yes there is a cell technology coming out that can put us right at the 4.8v mark...but unless that gets adopted to run at 7.2v as well and used in other classes the chances are less likely that it will get adopted for 1/12th over another technology that is allready in use. So simply waiting gets us nowhere. I like 4 cell myself...but I also see a potential future change and it is better to be ready for that ahead of time then to get slapped in the face with it when it happens.

Scottrik's got it bang on...this isn't something that anyone is pushing to have happen overnight...heck it might not even happen at all. If it does it will happen as an alternative class ran in parrallel with the existing class and depending on popularity people will eventually migrate to one or the other. Either way this is something that is years and years down the road. But as I said before it is better to start looking into alternatives now then later on down the road when the existing technology is too hard to get. It's called being proactive rather then reactive.

Hey Guy,
I came on here to look for someone running lipo in 12th scale. I see there is quite a bit of discussion. I dont want to mod anything or buy new speedo to get it to work.
Has anyone used a 1 cell lipo with a receiver pack? I would appreciate any help and what works.
Thanks Marker

Awesome!!.......... I'm currntly running my indoor carpet set-up for asphalt using Parma Mag in the rear and Parma Purple in the front. Handles real nice all thru the run!:nod:

Hi Kid tt-01

I put my 12r5 on your track after racing on Sunday and found that i had plenty of grip using my standard setup and a 19 turn. I was using speed mind foams 32r and 35f. I found that a 19 turn was a bit to slow around the track due to the higher traction than IMCC.
Also i found this chart that might help with tyre identification, it is only a starting point.

Hey, anything's possible. I think 1-cell lipo would make it easier (more options) to find a motor that gives the desired power characteristics. The reason I won't be exploring that avenue myself is I think it ADDS complexity with the receiver pack rather than makes things simpler which is my own aim.

Have at it though and let us know what you find out!!

Was kinda hoping someone had already tried it and could tell me what to do. If I get any info - I'll post it and what parts I used so peeps can duplicate my results and have fun with it.

L8R Marker

One thing to keep in mind here is that some people like to experiment and push the envelope. In my case the 1/12 scene is totally dead here, I have'nt run any of my 1/12 cars in over two months and those runs were only practice runs at that. I have nothing but time to play with different kinds of cells and motors with no racing going on. In cases like mine; with long layoffs; a lipo solution for club racing only would be a very good thing. We all are in agreement that nimh cells are best for racing, bit messing with different cells and such is fun.

Just to add to the confusion and bring around another type of cell technology here is an old thread by Trailranger on LiFeP04 cells. I just received two packs of these cells and will be trying these out as soon as possible.:nod:

http://www.rctech.net/forum/showpost...ostcount=28686