I was not complaining about customer service and did not want this to get out of hand.Bruce's stuff is top shelf.

T've been running my CRC 3.1 at 4mm, partly as you said by the end of the run the car will be lower than when you started. And I hate it when my ass is dragging :D :lol:

Chris

Then why are you always talking?




(Yes I am a paying advertiser too so therefore I must have the right to toss out witty one liners at the expense of others.)

Nick

Ohh how terribly wrong. As an owner of another small business in the industry I can say that someone saying the things Eric has on this board about myself would make me quite angry, in fact it has, even though it was not directed at me. I think this online community could do without business owners like that. Does the fact that he pays for a thread on this board give him the right to say whatever he wants or should he be held to the same level of conduct we would expect to see from you Adrian?

Would your tune change if it was someone from say Xray or Corally being quite vocal about the shortcomings of Schumacher, in your own thread no less? In either example it's not something I would consider reasonable conduct from someone who's goal should be to exhibit the best possible image for his business.

Nick

I don't know if you saw. The post that smojoe made linking to his comments (Here ), was not posted in a 12th scale forum. He went into the rev4 thread and made that post.

...mean while back to the kitchen. :D

hey guys,i am experimenting with servo flat vs. angled soon.what are your guys findings with the difference between the 2.i tried it flat one time and i cant really get much from that test being that i had a crumby setup for carpet my first time out.now that i have an established setup for carpet that is working extremely well, i want to experiment with the servo flat on the chassis again.i am looking for actual differences,not just if you like it better or not.i am really detail oriented and hate to be a pest but i dont have much experience with the flat on the chassis servo.from what i can see it looks like the angled mounts would give a slight bit of ackerman gain throughout the steering throw and increase steering through the corner.i was thinking maybe the servo flat would free the front of the car up on mid corner and exit.i could be wrong,please share your facts or oppinions. :cool:

thanks,
jason

you know,now that i look at it,the angled mounts seem to be relative to castor angle to maintain the steering geometry.i will try it flat to see what happens.

This situation is of questionable taste,( from the first comment about Bruce ,to the comment from Dark ) let please move on and talk about 12th scale here. If you guys have issues with a way someone runs thier business, please start another thread, or PM.

Thanks,
Mod

I heard more angle is more forgiving, more soft. While flat position is more agressive / responsive.

thats what i heard also but i want to figure out why.i can see why it would feel more aggressive on entry but i cant see why it would mid corner and exit.it seems that the angled mounts are about 10 degrees as is the castor angle.i guess this would keep the geometry consistant thoughout the steering throw.huh,maybe we can all do some testing to see the differences.i will scale the geometry throughout the steering throw with both styles of mounting and see what i find. :cool:

Depending on steering link angle from horizontal, there may be "bump" steer, most pronounced in mid-corner, causing a slight additional turn in of the outside wheel. However, I believe tire selection and traction compound application have more effect than flat vs. angled servo.

Make sure you measure ackerman as well, if the angle of the linkage changes at all ackerman will be different.

There is a slight bump steer with it layed falt but if you just add a shim under the ball stud it pretty much is gone, but you still have that aggresive feel.

At least that is what I have noticed so far. I like the respounce of flat but I might go back to see if it smooths out my driving and better yet my lap times cause we all know thats where it really counts.

-Shookie <><

i am fully aware of turnbuckle angles,bump steer ,and ackerman.what i am looking for is what the actual change in steering geometry is.i have not really looked into it yet and wanted to see if anyone else has.im aware of the importance of tire selection and compound also.what i am looking for is just difference in steering geometry.they are different from what i can see at this point but i have not really looked into it as of yet.i know that it is a pain in the a$$ to get rid of the bump toe with it flat.the ballcups almost rub the wheel and steering throw is limited.thanks for the response.i hope that you guys understand what i am trying to figure out.i have my car working extremely well and have not had any issues with tires,bumpsteer,ackerman,or anything.i always here guys who run carpet say to run the servo flat,i want to see why and what the change is.i can understand speedmerchant cars running them flat or any other 1/12th with the old school front end but that is it.i have asked a bunch of the guys who run there servo like that why they do it and i am yet to get a logical answer.i will figure this out if it kills me.when i do i will post my findings up here.