9LikesT.O.P. Racing "Photon" 1/10 EP Touring Car
07-01-2009, 01:20 PM
#1186
Hello Everyone,
The new drive cups are in! They are made of a harder material that will wear better. When you get these, please throw your old ones away.
One bag (4 pcs) is complimentary to everyone that bought a kit. We'll be sending them out to all our customers.
You can also send us an email [email protected] and put in the subject heading "Drive Cups V2". We will need proof of purchase, USA customers only.
The new drive cups are in! They are made of a harder material that will wear better. When you get these, please throw your old ones away.
One bag (4 pcs) is complimentary to everyone that bought a kit. We'll be sending them out to all our customers.
You can also send us an email [email protected] and put in the subject heading "Drive Cups V2". We will need proof of purchase, USA customers only.
I sent in my receipt please check your email...Thanks
Last edited by Goingfast; 07-01-2009 at 05:21 PM.
07-01-2009, 01:29 PM
#1187
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07-01-2009, 07:25 PM
#1188
Reedy Setup
Couple guys were asking for my Reedy setup, so here it is again. Made it a PDF this time and brought down the file size.
I ran mod with this setup. The only thing I changed was the front springs. I went to a 324gf.
I ran mod with this setup. The only thing I changed was the front springs. I went to a 324gf.
07-01-2009, 07:28 PM
#1189
07-01-2009, 07:30 PM
#1190
07-01-2009, 09:13 PM
#1192
So I could have gotten my kit already and had an extra spool//Dammit !
I want parts to make a diff fior the front and eventually a one way . Whats the gerth of the spool between the bearings? Maybe a Tamiya one will fit > No ?!
I want parts to make a diff fior the front and eventually a one way . Whats the gerth of the spool between the bearings? Maybe a Tamiya one will fit > No ?!
07-01-2009, 09:58 PM
#1193
Yokomo BD5 oneway with BD5 pulley fits. I already tested my BD5 oneway in someones Photon. Just like you can use BD belts on the car too.
07-01-2009, 10:09 PM
#1194
07-02-2009, 01:28 AM
#1195
So, a suggestion...
How about a longer servo mount? Many of us run the short servos, and longer mounts (much longer than the longest option in the kit) could give us the ability to push the shorter servo closer to the edge of the chassis. This would enable us to run the servo in the forward holes, giving us much-needed space for our electronics, and won't require you to take a live beaver to the corner of your servo to prevent the arm from rubbing. It also seems to still maintain decent alignment between the servo horn and arm on the steering assembly.
Also, in aluminum would be great.
How about a longer servo mount? Many of us run the short servos, and longer mounts (much longer than the longest option in the kit) could give us the ability to push the shorter servo closer to the edge of the chassis. This would enable us to run the servo in the forward holes, giving us much-needed space for our electronics, and won't require you to take a live beaver to the corner of your servo to prevent the arm from rubbing. It also seems to still maintain decent alignment between the servo horn and arm on the steering assembly.
Also, in aluminum would be great.
07-02-2009, 05:51 AM
#1196
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syndr0me - They make aluminum spacers don't they??...lol..
Radial Ackerman:
Pos. #1 St. Block Inside Wheel degree vs. Outside Wheel Degree
21mm Length 5degree 10degree 15degree 20degree 25degree
9mm Insert 4.72 8.93 12.62 15.81 18.48
10mm Insert 4.71 8.87 12.51 15.62 18.22
11mm Insert 4.69 8.81 12.39 15.43 17.94
12mm Insert 4.67 8.75 12.26 15.22 17.65
22.5mm Length
9mm Insert 4.76 9.07 12.93 16.32 19.21
10mm Insert 4.75 9.03 12.83 16.16 18.98
11mm Insert 4.74 8.98 12.73 15.99 18.74
12mm Insert 4.72 8.92 12.62 15.81 18.49
24mm Length
9mm Insert 4.8 9.21 13.21 16.78 19.89
10mm Insert 4.79 9.17 13.13 16.64 19.69
11mm Insert 4.78 9.13 13.04 16.5 19.48
12mm Insert 4.77 9.08 12.95 16.35 19.26
This is generated using a set wheel base - adjusting wheel base/hinge pin sweep can adjust these #'s. Also, this is generated using 0 toe in/out. This is to generate different ackerman curves.
Generally, lower initial ackerman (closer # values) generate more initial steering and can make the car loose in the center of the corner/exit. Be warned though that at times it can overheat the tires and cause a mid/late race understeer.
Higher initial ackerman makes the car easier to drive, and more balanced through the run. Sometimes though, if you use too much ackerman you will just have slow lap times and a lazy/understeering car. So far, I've prefered the shorter bell crank (21mm) with 9-10 for the ackerman insert as it gives good initial steering and good low speed steering without over heating the front tires so much. Also, this combination is quite close to the ackerman data generated from the 416 I was able to guess some dimensions off of....
I can't really make this chart look right on here... Sorry guys...
Radial Ackerman:
Pos. #1 St. Block Inside Wheel degree vs. Outside Wheel Degree
21mm Length 5degree 10degree 15degree 20degree 25degree
9mm Insert 4.72 8.93 12.62 15.81 18.48
10mm Insert 4.71 8.87 12.51 15.62 18.22
11mm Insert 4.69 8.81 12.39 15.43 17.94
12mm Insert 4.67 8.75 12.26 15.22 17.65
22.5mm Length
9mm Insert 4.76 9.07 12.93 16.32 19.21
10mm Insert 4.75 9.03 12.83 16.16 18.98
11mm Insert 4.74 8.98 12.73 15.99 18.74
12mm Insert 4.72 8.92 12.62 15.81 18.49
24mm Length
9mm Insert 4.8 9.21 13.21 16.78 19.89
10mm Insert 4.79 9.17 13.13 16.64 19.69
11mm Insert 4.78 9.13 13.04 16.5 19.48
12mm Insert 4.77 9.08 12.95 16.35 19.26
This is generated using a set wheel base - adjusting wheel base/hinge pin sweep can adjust these #'s. Also, this is generated using 0 toe in/out. This is to generate different ackerman curves.
Generally, lower initial ackerman (closer # values) generate more initial steering and can make the car loose in the center of the corner/exit. Be warned though that at times it can overheat the tires and cause a mid/late race understeer.
Higher initial ackerman makes the car easier to drive, and more balanced through the run. Sometimes though, if you use too much ackerman you will just have slow lap times and a lazy/understeering car. So far, I've prefered the shorter bell crank (21mm) with 9-10 for the ackerman insert as it gives good initial steering and good low speed steering without over heating the front tires so much. Also, this combination is quite close to the ackerman data generated from the 416 I was able to guess some dimensions off of....
I can't really make this chart look right on here... Sorry guys...
Last edited by Josh Cyrul; 07-02-2009 at 06:58 AM.
GOT IT!
07-02-2009, 08:44 AM
#1199
Doesn't the kit come with Josh's And E.J.'s set up sheets ?
07-02-2009, 11:45 AM
#1200
syndr0me - They make aluminum spacers don't they??...lol..
Radial Ackerman:
Pos. #1 St. Block Inside Wheel degree vs. Outside Wheel Degree
21mm Length 5degree 10degree 15degree 20degree 25degree
9mm Insert 4.72 8.93 12.62 15.81 18.48
10mm Insert 4.71 8.87 12.51 15.62 18.22
11mm Insert 4.69 8.81 12.39 15.43 17.94
12mm Insert 4.67 8.75 12.26 15.22 17.65
22.5mm Length
9mm Insert 4.76 9.07 12.93 16.32 19.21
10mm Insert 4.75 9.03 12.83 16.16 18.98
11mm Insert 4.74 8.98 12.73 15.99 18.74
12mm Insert 4.72 8.92 12.62 15.81 18.49
24mm Length
9mm Insert 4.8 9.21 13.21 16.78 19.89
10mm Insert 4.79 9.17 13.13 16.64 19.69
11mm Insert 4.78 9.13 13.04 16.5 19.48
12mm Insert 4.77 9.08 12.95 16.35 19.26
This is generated using a set wheel base - adjusting wheel base/hinge pin sweep can adjust these #'s. Also, this is generated using 0 toe in/out. This is to generate different ackerman curves.
Generally, lower initial ackerman (closer # values) generate more initial steering and can make the car loose in the center of the corner/exit. Be warned though that at times it can overheat the tires and cause a mid/late race understeer.
Higher initial ackerman makes the car easier to drive, and more balanced through the run. Sometimes though, if you use too much ackerman you will just have slow lap times and a lazy/understeering car. So far, I've prefered the shorter bell crank (21mm) with 9-10 for the ackerman insert as it gives good initial steering and good low speed steering without over heating the front tires so much. Also, this combination is quite close to the ackerman data generated from the 416 I was able to guess some dimensions off of....
I can't really make this chart look right on here... Sorry guys...
Radial Ackerman:
Pos. #1 St. Block Inside Wheel degree vs. Outside Wheel Degree
21mm Length 5degree 10degree 15degree 20degree 25degree
9mm Insert 4.72 8.93 12.62 15.81 18.48
10mm Insert 4.71 8.87 12.51 15.62 18.22
11mm Insert 4.69 8.81 12.39 15.43 17.94
12mm Insert 4.67 8.75 12.26 15.22 17.65
22.5mm Length
9mm Insert 4.76 9.07 12.93 16.32 19.21
10mm Insert 4.75 9.03 12.83 16.16 18.98
11mm Insert 4.74 8.98 12.73 15.99 18.74
12mm Insert 4.72 8.92 12.62 15.81 18.49
24mm Length
9mm Insert 4.8 9.21 13.21 16.78 19.89
10mm Insert 4.79 9.17 13.13 16.64 19.69
11mm Insert 4.78 9.13 13.04 16.5 19.48
12mm Insert 4.77 9.08 12.95 16.35 19.26
This is generated using a set wheel base - adjusting wheel base/hinge pin sweep can adjust these #'s. Also, this is generated using 0 toe in/out. This is to generate different ackerman curves.
Generally, lower initial ackerman (closer # values) generate more initial steering and can make the car loose in the center of the corner/exit. Be warned though that at times it can overheat the tires and cause a mid/late race understeer.
Higher initial ackerman makes the car easier to drive, and more balanced through the run. Sometimes though, if you use too much ackerman you will just have slow lap times and a lazy/understeering car. So far, I've prefered the shorter bell crank (21mm) with 9-10 for the ackerman insert as it gives good initial steering and good low speed steering without over heating the front tires so much. Also, this combination is quite close to the ackerman data generated from the 416 I was able to guess some dimensions off of....
I can't really make this chart look right on here... Sorry guys...
I like running the 10mm insert in the middle position (22.5) with rubber tires on asphalt. Josh did a great job with this bell crank. I never knew that playing around with this made such a difference with how the car feels.