Xray M18
06-03-2004, 09:01 AM
#526
How rigid is that IPD chassis? I see that it has no upper deck. It is a 2.0mm quasi weave chassis I assume?
06-03-2004, 09:19 AM
#527
intel i think you visit the micro 18 site also i guess you know onary from there also now that we all been here for a while we have his added grace to have a counter debate!
look man i support my local hobby shop but if i can get it cheeper via the net i'll do it. screw them they dont pay my bills.
i aint supporting there life style.
Its our money and as a consumer we have the right to spend it as we please> I earned it! my Sweat my fustration not thiers.
Granted i do buy stuff at a lhs and get from them what i need right away if they have it stock. if they dont and they take to long in getting it i source it elselwhere.
welcome to rc tech oxy!
look man i support my local hobby shop but if i can get it cheeper via the net i'll do it. screw them they dont pay my bills.
i aint supporting there life style.
Its our money and as a consumer we have the right to spend it as we please> I earned it! my Sweat my fustration not thiers.
Granted i do buy stuff at a lhs and get from them what i need right away if they have it stock. if they dont and they take to long in getting it i source it elselwhere.
welcome to rc tech oxy!
06-03-2004, 09:23 AM
#528
Hehe
06-03-2004, 12:31 PM
#529
Yes, as you can see, I have been around before. I was sticking mostly to the NW racers region until recently.. But hey since I have both you and Intels attention.
Intel was having problems with his one way in that it was tearing up his universals. I know you are a big fan of those, so I thought you might be running one. Are you having problems with the universals? What size motor do you run (I though you mentioned before just a mod 180?).
On your reply, thats your money. Do what you want. Just be aware of all the factors. Especially when your local track closes because it doesn't make enough revenue.
Intel was having problems with his one way in that it was tearing up his universals. I know you are a big fan of those, so I thought you might be running one. Are you having problems with the universals? What size motor do you run (I though you mentioned before just a mod 180?).
On your reply, thats your money. Do what you want. Just be aware of all the factors. Especially when your local track closes because it doesn't make enough revenue.
06-03-2004, 12:35 PM
#530
One ways as well as spools place a lot of stress on your front universals which is why mine broke. I now have the aluminum shafts and am again using my one way. Problem solved
Yesterday we blew off a parking lot and set up a track. We ran for a few hours without issue so all is well. Now I just need to rid myself of the added on power push
Yesterday we blew off a parking lot and set up a track. We ran for a few hours without issue so all is well. Now I just need to rid myself of the added on power push
06-03-2004, 01:49 PM
#531
the oneways do tear up the plastic axles.
you'll have to run the alloy cvd's because the oneways dont give in an impact.
this was a major thing on the hpi micros aswell. note people install the ally ones on the rear aswell but no need just putting them upfront is good enough.
as far as shopping online I am the 1% that it doesnt affect them because I am primararly a sponserd driver and dont pay for 90% of my equipment. the last minute stuff I get at my Lhs which I refer people to when they need something but even they have the right buy where they want.
any ways this is one of those topcis that we can bicker back and forth worth I am sure we will all agree to disagree and talk about real stuff like this axle thing hope this help.
you'll have to run the alloy cvd's because the oneways dont give in an impact.
this was a major thing on the hpi micros aswell. note people install the ally ones on the rear aswell but no need just putting them upfront is good enough.
as far as shopping online I am the 1% that it doesnt affect them because I am primararly a sponserd driver and dont pay for 90% of my equipment. the last minute stuff I get at my Lhs which I refer people to when they need something but even they have the right buy where they want.
any ways this is one of those topcis that we can bicker back and forth worth I am sure we will all agree to disagree and talk about real stuff like this axle thing hope this help.
06-03-2004, 01:52 PM
#532
Yeah, I only purchased the shafts for the front because that is the major stress point.
In the event that my rears break which I doubt will be any time soon, I have a spare plastic set.
In the event that my rears break which I doubt will be any time soon, I have a spare plastic set.
06-06-2004, 08:44 PM
#533
Tech Rookie
I'm looking for some advice
Hi
I am looking at purchasing one of these kits. But, I really know nothing about micros. I have pretty good experience with some larger electric cars, but I'm looking for some advice here to get me on the right track.
I'm looking for recommendations for an ESC, Motor, Servo, Batteries, tires, spare parts, option parts, basically anything and everything that would deal and deals with the M18. What do you have and how is it working out? Basically what are my options and then recommend from there.
I will be driving this on a 10th scale indoor carpet track, so the speed needs to be relatively high but I need to have control.
Any help/information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks ahead of time.
I am looking at purchasing one of these kits. But, I really know nothing about micros. I have pretty good experience with some larger electric cars, but I'm looking for some advice here to get me on the right track.
I'm looking for recommendations for an ESC, Motor, Servo, Batteries, tires, spare parts, option parts, basically anything and everything that would deal and deals with the M18. What do you have and how is it working out? Basically what are my options and then recommend from there.
I will be driving this on a 10th scale indoor carpet track, so the speed needs to be relatively high but I need to have control.
Any help/information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks ahead of time.
06-06-2004, 11:47 PM
#534
Out of the box its pretty good on carpet. The only suspension tuning you might consider is the 2.5 degree toe in. The 6 degree caster might help depending on your driving style.
ESC: Well it sounds like you don't need reverse so this should open the field more. Any small esc for 1/10th would work including some of the LRP, KO-Propo, and Futuba lines (even Novaks higher end). There is only one forward micro size esc meant for minis other than those from a company called IPD (http://www.ipdracing.com), the r18. The Novak Spy is vastly overrated as many racers here will attest to.
Motor: Well your first official upgrade will be (when you buy the kit) a 300 size aluminum motor mount. Even if you stick with 180 size motor, at least having this will help keep the motor cooler as there is no airflow. I have had great luck on a 1/10th carpet (ozite) with just a plain jane 6v speed 300 (really 370 size motors). You can get tuned 300s that are faster, but wont last as long. The higher end 280's (MiniT size) are another choice. Someone keeps giving high praise to the ponies the Trinity Monster "Wild" version. The say its more powerful than the 300.
On the other hand, you could bypass both of these and get a Mamba 54 brushless setup. But this will be a larger initial investment. In the long run it would be cheaper as you wont have to worry about the motor wearing out as easily. Then though you face the pondering question if the class ever got big enough at your track, would they illegalize brushless?
Servo: 90% of the racers use the Hitec 81 series. In fact the powerpack servo is just a relabeled 81mg. If you go with the Hitec, get the 81s (plastic gears). Believe it or not its more durable in this situation than the MG. The MGs plastic insert for its main gear warps and you start to loose your center point easily. I also discovered recently one of GWS park servos has some killer specs (under .8 sec and with 40ounces at 4.8 volts). But finding a horn to fit it may be a problem. Which is another thing you will want to pick up with the kit. A micro RS4 servo saver kit. The xray doesn't include one, and one good brush with the wall could result in stripped gears. The new Mini t servo savers could potentially work also. But with that spring sticking out, I'm not sure it might not hit the front steering.
The real idea is look at the specs of a 81s as far as size, and find something in that same size if nothing else. Usually under "micro" servos. Since we are in on road you will want very fast response. So I wouldn't go above .14 for speed at 4.8volts.
Batteries: Bar none if your sticking to ni-mh.. Kans. Any 2/3 A cell listed at 1050mah is a KAN. You get around 15-20 minutes of runtime even with a speed 300 on these. Don't let the higher MAH packs fool you. They lack the voltage the Kan gives. Since you are doing 1/10th track, you should be able to go with a 6 cell setup. Though realize you will have to solder them inline versus side to side to fit. Unless you get Kan 650mah 2/3aa cells. These can fit side to side right in the chassis. They however lack the runtime, and will drop off further than the full size kans. If you plan to stick to 180 size motors this could be an option. Elsewise get the 2/3A.
With inline soldering, for best results you will need a hammerhead tip. This gentleman sells them for well sp-40 (and 80) irons. http://members.cox.net/charliewhite/
As far as sources, if you want to make your own packs with cells..
http://www.battlepack.com/loosecells.asp (take advantage of the free zapping!)
http://www.unitedrc.com/ (The URC 1050HR+)
If you want high quality premade packs
http://www.blindbatts.com (he also zaps them)
http://www.unitedrc.com/
If you want to go "all the way" and used matched packs
http://www.teampowerpush.com/catalog.html (The MiniT series are the same size and are red labeled Kans) - He also has some of the "factory" green labeled that he can sell if contacted.
*Yea, note I haven't listed Trinities MiniT matched. They aren't Kans and lack the punch and are over priced.
Tires: The stock tires are useless on carpet. You can probably get at least some rounds with them with traction compound. If you want to stick with rubbers, I have had decent luck with ratzas holes series tires Medium fronts and soft rears http://www.ratzas.net/ . Another option (haven't tried) is Medium HPI fronts, and their rear carpet tires (#4719).
With foams, you have a large selection. This will vary greatly. Some say TRC orange fronts with magenta rear. Intelligentsia is using Orion rear softs, and TRC Magenta up front. Others are using (and these are the cheapest BTW) Ellegi ELLJ03C 45 shore front, with ELLJ33B 40 shore rear.
I guess it more you will have to play around to see what works, Though most agree a harder compound up front to help from traction rolling.
Spare Parts: I haven't broken anything yet (knocks on wood). It really depends on how much driving experience you have. If your a little unsure, the only area I have seen broken (twice) is the front body posts breaking from the front bumper.
Option parts:
To summarize
Right when you buy the kit:
Aluminum Motor Mount
2.5 degree toe in rear links (or adjustable kit)
42 tooth spur if you decide to go with a 280 or 370. Along with this the lower tooth pinion kit.
Things that may help depending on your driving style:
6 degree caster blocks
Bling Bling helpers:
-Ball Diff (especially with foams to allow some slippage)
-One Way front for higher speed tracks (IE 1.10th)*You will have to buy the aluminum universals with this as Intel notes above.
-Upper stiff graphite deck (helps with consistency on carpet).
Other items:
-Hpi Micro Servo Saver
-Lead tape (has some from 1/10th?) as the car is really unbalanced with 6 cell 2/3a.
-Associated mini fan. You plug into your BEC.. I'd almost consider this a must for longer motor life
-Motor heatsink (a variety are offered depending on the size you choose). Look at some of the helicopter ones as alternatives.
ESC: Well it sounds like you don't need reverse so this should open the field more. Any small esc for 1/10th would work including some of the LRP, KO-Propo, and Futuba lines (even Novaks higher end). There is only one forward micro size esc meant for minis other than those from a company called IPD (http://www.ipdracing.com), the r18. The Novak Spy is vastly overrated as many racers here will attest to.
Motor: Well your first official upgrade will be (when you buy the kit) a 300 size aluminum motor mount. Even if you stick with 180 size motor, at least having this will help keep the motor cooler as there is no airflow. I have had great luck on a 1/10th carpet (ozite) with just a plain jane 6v speed 300 (really 370 size motors). You can get tuned 300s that are faster, but wont last as long. The higher end 280's (MiniT size) are another choice. Someone keeps giving high praise to the ponies the Trinity Monster "Wild" version. The say its more powerful than the 300.
On the other hand, you could bypass both of these and get a Mamba 54 brushless setup. But this will be a larger initial investment. In the long run it would be cheaper as you wont have to worry about the motor wearing out as easily. Then though you face the pondering question if the class ever got big enough at your track, would they illegalize brushless?
Servo: 90% of the racers use the Hitec 81 series. In fact the powerpack servo is just a relabeled 81mg. If you go with the Hitec, get the 81s (plastic gears). Believe it or not its more durable in this situation than the MG. The MGs plastic insert for its main gear warps and you start to loose your center point easily. I also discovered recently one of GWS park servos has some killer specs (under .8 sec and with 40ounces at 4.8 volts). But finding a horn to fit it may be a problem. Which is another thing you will want to pick up with the kit. A micro RS4 servo saver kit. The xray doesn't include one, and one good brush with the wall could result in stripped gears. The new Mini t servo savers could potentially work also. But with that spring sticking out, I'm not sure it might not hit the front steering.
The real idea is look at the specs of a 81s as far as size, and find something in that same size if nothing else. Usually under "micro" servos. Since we are in on road you will want very fast response. So I wouldn't go above .14 for speed at 4.8volts.
Batteries: Bar none if your sticking to ni-mh.. Kans. Any 2/3 A cell listed at 1050mah is a KAN. You get around 15-20 minutes of runtime even with a speed 300 on these. Don't let the higher MAH packs fool you. They lack the voltage the Kan gives. Since you are doing 1/10th track, you should be able to go with a 6 cell setup. Though realize you will have to solder them inline versus side to side to fit. Unless you get Kan 650mah 2/3aa cells. These can fit side to side right in the chassis. They however lack the runtime, and will drop off further than the full size kans. If you plan to stick to 180 size motors this could be an option. Elsewise get the 2/3A.
With inline soldering, for best results you will need a hammerhead tip. This gentleman sells them for well sp-40 (and 80) irons. http://members.cox.net/charliewhite/
As far as sources, if you want to make your own packs with cells..
http://www.battlepack.com/loosecells.asp (take advantage of the free zapping!)
http://www.unitedrc.com/ (The URC 1050HR+)
If you want high quality premade packs
http://www.blindbatts.com (he also zaps them)
http://www.unitedrc.com/
If you want to go "all the way" and used matched packs
http://www.teampowerpush.com/catalog.html (The MiniT series are the same size and are red labeled Kans) - He also has some of the "factory" green labeled that he can sell if contacted.
*Yea, note I haven't listed Trinities MiniT matched. They aren't Kans and lack the punch and are over priced.
Tires: The stock tires are useless on carpet. You can probably get at least some rounds with them with traction compound. If you want to stick with rubbers, I have had decent luck with ratzas holes series tires Medium fronts and soft rears http://www.ratzas.net/ . Another option (haven't tried) is Medium HPI fronts, and their rear carpet tires (#4719).
With foams, you have a large selection. This will vary greatly. Some say TRC orange fronts with magenta rear. Intelligentsia is using Orion rear softs, and TRC Magenta up front. Others are using (and these are the cheapest BTW) Ellegi ELLJ03C 45 shore front, with ELLJ33B 40 shore rear.
I guess it more you will have to play around to see what works, Though most agree a harder compound up front to help from traction rolling.
Spare Parts: I haven't broken anything yet (knocks on wood). It really depends on how much driving experience you have. If your a little unsure, the only area I have seen broken (twice) is the front body posts breaking from the front bumper.
Option parts:
To summarize
Right when you buy the kit:
Aluminum Motor Mount
2.5 degree toe in rear links (or adjustable kit)
42 tooth spur if you decide to go with a 280 or 370. Along with this the lower tooth pinion kit.
Things that may help depending on your driving style:
6 degree caster blocks
Bling Bling helpers:
-Ball Diff (especially with foams to allow some slippage)
-One Way front for higher speed tracks (IE 1.10th)*You will have to buy the aluminum universals with this as Intel notes above.
-Upper stiff graphite deck (helps with consistency on carpet).
Other items:
-Hpi Micro Servo Saver
-Lead tape (has some from 1/10th?) as the car is really unbalanced with 6 cell 2/3a.
-Associated mini fan. You plug into your BEC.. I'd almost consider this a must for longer motor life
-Motor heatsink (a variety are offered depending on the size you choose). Look at some of the helicopter ones as alternatives.
Last edited by oXYnary; 06-07-2004 at 04:04 AM.
06-07-2004, 11:22 AM
#535
Tech Initiate
Yeah, what he said...and double that for the uselessness of the stock tires on carpet. The kit builds great, no flash at all to trim away on any of the parts.
Oh yeah, since you have no micro experience, the wheels, with tires, are a friction fit onto the hubs. Expect to pull fairly hard and straight to get them off. The stock wheels seem to be worse than the HPI or aftermarket wheels to remove. Just a forwarning....
Oh yeah, since you have no micro experience, the wheels, with tires, are a friction fit onto the hubs. Expect to pull fairly hard and straight to get them off. The stock wheels seem to be worse than the HPI or aftermarket wheels to remove. Just a forwarning....
06-07-2004, 04:15 PM
#536
Throw out the stock rims!
The stock rims are notorious for cracking. I had a brand new set of rims and tires that were junk after installing them once onto the inner wheels. The plastic Xray is using for the rims is far too brittle. I also think the traction compounds affect the plastic and makes them more prone to cracking.
I have since ordered some HPI rims and couldn't be happier. They are more durable and seem to be made of a more resilient plastic.
Try it out and get some good tires as well. If staying with rubber tires on carpet, try HPI's wide carpet tires in the rear and medium/hard fronts.
I have since ordered some HPI rims and couldn't be happier. They are more durable and seem to be made of a more resilient plastic.
Try it out and get some good tires as well. If staying with rubber tires on carpet, try HPI's wide carpet tires in the rear and medium/hard fronts.
06-07-2004, 07:50 PM
#538
http://www.dynamoelectrics.com/Searc...x?CategoryID=2
Edit: hey your toy list reads like my wishlist!
Edit: hey your toy list reads like my wishlist!
06-07-2004, 09:45 PM
#539
Tech Regular
iTrader: (3)
Originally posted by oXYnary
http://www.dynamoelectrics.com/Searc...x?CategoryID=2
Edit: hey your toy list reads like my wishlist!
http://www.dynamoelectrics.com/Searc...x?CategoryID=2
Edit: hey your toy list reads like my wishlist!
