Tekin RS ESC sensored
01-31-2010, 11:49 PM
You are correct Randy, Tekin is doing well and I love the 3 i have but i disagree with Turbo being independent of Boost. Turbo does nothing if Boost is 0 and turbo seems to apply more and more timing as the Boost value increases.
Ex. When I set boost to 5 and Turbo to 15 the free wheel RPM is hardly anything, if I set Boost to 40 and turbo 15 then watch out. The RPM really ramps after the boost timing has been applied.
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Ex. When I set boost to 5 and Turbo to 15 the free wheel RPM is hardly anything, if I set Boost to 40 and turbo 15 then watch out. The RPM really ramps after the boost timing has been applied.
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02-01-2010, 12:01 AM
Question, If turbo is set to max or 15 why does it do nothing when boost is set to 0 if there independent of each other?
02-01-2010, 12:17 AM
Timing boost and Turbo boost are indeed tied together. I'm happy someone else ( Bkspeedo ) confirmed what I had found !oh, and set a really long turbo delay, so you know you aren't just seeing timing boost. It should be obvious when turbo kicks in.
and maybe use a motor you don't care too much about !
02-01-2010, 01:03 AM
Try stepping from 0 to 10 to 20 to 30 to 40 etc timing boost with a fixed Turbo setting ( like 7 , leave it there for this entire test ) and you'll see that Turbo only ramps a bit at lower timing boost values and peaks quickly. When you get past 30 timing boost the turbo ramps significantly more and if you dare to bench test it at 50 you had better wear safety goggles Timing boost and Turbo boost are indeed tied together. I'm happy someone else ( Bkspeedo ) confirmed what I had found !
oh, and set a really long turbo delay, so you know you aren't just seeing timing boost. It should be obvious when turbo kicks in.
and maybe use a motor you don't care too much about !
Timing boost and Turbo boost are indeed tied together. I'm happy someone else ( Bkspeedo ) confirmed what I had found !oh, and set a really long turbo delay, so you know you aren't just seeing timing boost. It should be obvious when turbo kicks in.
and maybe use a motor you don't care too much about !
02-01-2010, 01:51 AM
i had do everything i can. clean sensor socket with contact cleaner, change multiple sensor wire, but unlucky none of it work. When I change to other brand motor, the problem gone. example speedpassion v2 and v3, orca. I had tried this team power motor with my club mate tekin esc too, not working as well. Thats why I asked kamen to have a look, whether is this happen to him as well.
but im having some problems with this team power.. only at starting point...
maybe must change to other motor..
02-01-2010, 02:46 AM
if you plan to change your 11.5t motor, i would recommend you buy a 11.5t orca motor. You won't regret with it.
02-01-2010, 04:38 AM
you still have to unplug it from the rx cause it will still get power,this gets asked about every few months
02-01-2010, 06:19 AM
You are correct Randy, Tekin is doing well and I love the 3 i have but i disagree with Turbo being independent of Boost. Turbo does nothing if Boost is 0 and turbo seems to apply more and more timing as the Boost value increases.
Ex. When I set boost to 5 and Turbo to 15 the free wheel RPM is hardly anything, if I set Boost to 40 and turbo 15 then watch out. The RPM really ramps after the boost timing has been applied. Unless the Novak Sentry I have is broke and me ears no longer work, Boost definitely has an effect on how much turbo advances timing. I guess my observation would be ill found if X deg of timing did not generate an x increase in RPM meaning a linear ramp in RPM in relation to "deg of timing". If this a logarithmic relation then your comment would be correct.
Question, If turbo is set to max or 15 why does it do nothing when boost is set to 0 if there independent of each other?
There's nothing wrong with this dependency, but being the analytical type that I am I like to now how much timing I'm actually applying to the motor. People keep saying you don't want to add more than 60 deg to a BL motor but if I set Boost to 50, turbo to 15, and motor static timing to 30, like my Ballistic, that would be 95 deg. This would not be good correct? But this is exactly how I have my car setup with a 7.3 FDR and it's rock fast reaching 40mph after only 90ft with motor temp of ~165 after 6 min.
Congrads to Tekin on all the top finishes at Snowbirds. I guess those AE controller owners are rethinking there high dollar purchase.
Ex. When I set boost to 5 and Turbo to 15 the free wheel RPM is hardly anything, if I set Boost to 40 and turbo 15 then watch out. The RPM really ramps after the boost timing has been applied. Unless the Novak Sentry I have is broke and me ears no longer work, Boost definitely has an effect on how much turbo advances timing. I guess my observation would be ill found if X deg of timing did not generate an x increase in RPM meaning a linear ramp in RPM in relation to "deg of timing". If this a logarithmic relation then your comment would be correct.
Question, If turbo is set to max or 15 why does it do nothing when boost is set to 0 if there independent of each other?
There's nothing wrong with this dependency, but being the analytical type that I am I like to now how much timing I'm actually applying to the motor. People keep saying you don't want to add more than 60 deg to a BL motor but if I set Boost to 50, turbo to 15, and motor static timing to 30, like my Ballistic, that would be 95 deg. This would not be good correct? But this is exactly how I have my car setup with a 7.3 FDR and it's rock fast reaching 40mph after only 90ft with motor temp of ~165 after 6 min.
Congrads to Tekin on all the top finishes at Snowbirds. I guess those AE controller owners are rethinking there high dollar purchase.
Try stepping from 0 to 10 to 20 to 30 to 40 etc timing boost with a fixed Turbo setting ( like 7 , leave it there for this entire test ) and you'll see that Turbo only ramps a bit at lower timing boost values and peaks quickly. When you get past 30 timing boost the turbo ramps significantly more and if you dare to bench test it at 50 you had better wear safety goggles Timing boost and Turbo boost are indeed tied together. I'm happy someone else ( Bkspeedo ) confirmed what I had found !
oh, and set a really long turbo delay, so you know you aren't just seeing timing boost. It should be obvious when turbo kicks in.
and maybe use a motor you don't care too much about !
Timing boost and Turbo boost are indeed tied together. I'm happy someone else ( Bkspeedo ) confirmed what I had found !oh, and set a really long turbo delay, so you know you aren't just seeing timing boost. It should be obvious when turbo kicks in.
and maybe use a motor you don't care too much about !
this is the reason why I do not set my start rpm to the slowest point of the track. I actualy want the torque. it allows me to gear up and then let the motor spool up before it gets to the 30degree point where i have very little torque and alot of rpm.
02-01-2010, 06:35 AM
yang from your first runs before the data logger with 203 when it was by feel and track testing what are your settings now
02-01-2010, 07:11 AM
02-01-2010, 07:15 AM
With the newest software are there any issues running mod motors?
02-01-2010, 07:21 AM
where are running mod at i thought it was dead in fl.no one has said anything on a mod,baker and toso were using sensored in mod this weekend
02-01-2010, 07:27 AM
hmmm, that takes some though. but basically looking at current setup and past setup, I would have to say that I had the start and end rpm to low when we first started running v203. also, i seam to have my turbo delay too long. how weird is that? but then I was always an advocate of nothing below .5sec so I am running .4 now.
02-01-2010, 07:34 AM
i am using gear to use the torque the motor naturally has and that usually give me a faster straight line speed. but there is a balance. If I gear too high, then I never see the MAX rpm of the motor. i drop teeth until the rpm gain does not give me more speed. you have to figure speed based on rpm and roll out.
02-01-2010, 07:48 AM
i am using gear to use the torque the motor naturally has and that usually give me a faster straight line speed. but there is a balance. If I gear too high, then I never see the MAX rpm of the motor. i drop teeth until the rpm gain does not give me more speed. you have to figure speed based on rpm and roll out.