Tekin RS ESC sensored
04-18-2012, 05:42 AM
Hello,
I'm running a RS with firmware 212 with a Revtech 17.5. I'm running boosted but I'm unsure of my settings.
I've been told when running boosted my FDR should be between 6 - 7. That's what a few of the faster guys are running. However, the only way I can keep up with the rest of the pack is with and FDR around 4.6. The car was too slow when running higher FDRs like 6.
My settings are full boost, no turbo, thottle profile 3, sensord only. I also have two ticks of timing in the motor.
Our track has about a 100' straight on it.
Could I be over timing the motor? What else could I be doing wrong.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I'm running a RS with firmware 212 with a Revtech 17.5. I'm running boosted but I'm unsure of my settings.
I've been told when running boosted my FDR should be between 6 - 7. That's what a few of the faster guys are running. However, the only way I can keep up with the rest of the pack is with and FDR around 4.6. The car was too slow when running higher FDRs like 6.
My settings are full boost, no turbo, thottle profile 3, sensord only. I also have two ticks of timing in the motor.
Our track has about a 100' straight on it.
Could I be over timing the motor? What else could I be doing wrong.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
04-18-2012, 05:50 AM
I'm not sure how you could assume 212 would be legal? as there is no mention of it anywhere on that page.
Looking at that page, under the Software Version section, a couple of other speedo manufacturers have multiple version numbers allowed, Tekin only has one version listed - 223.
In addition under the Notes section it explains how to tell if it is in no timing mode and that LED 3,4,5 will be on and blinking. 'Locked' is a Tekin specific software function. It does not say only LED 3,5 should be on.
So if I was a race organizer, I would print that page and go straight off of it .. the version must be 223 and LED's 3,4,5 must be flashing.
From that page, assuming 212 is legal is like assuming 208 is legal, which it is not.
Looking at that page, under the Software Version section, a couple of other speedo manufacturers have multiple version numbers allowed, Tekin only has one version listed - 223.
In addition under the Notes section it explains how to tell if it is in no timing mode and that LED 3,4,5 will be on and blinking. 'Locked' is a Tekin specific software function. It does not say only LED 3,5 should be on.
So if I was a race organizer, I would print that page and go straight off of it .. the version must be 223 and LED's 3,4,5 must be flashing.
From that page, assuming 212 is legal is like assuming 208 is legal, which it is not.
Your logic on this has merit.
I would say that it's up to Tekin to contact ROAR and get it sorted out if Tekin wants to profess that 212 is legal.
Since there are several different manufacturers listed who have several different software versions listed as legal, one must infer that if it (in this case Tekin 212) is not listed, that it was intentionally left off and that it's not legal for ROAR events or tracks that follow a strict ROAR structure for their weekly club races.
Of course, this all assumes that ROAR simply isn't being sloppy, malicious, or mischevious in the maintenance of this particular list.
04-18-2012, 07:14 AM
I know my favorite speedo made the list. Did yours? I see a few speedos missing!
http://www.roarracing.com/?page_id=737
http://www.roarracing.com/?page_id=737
Also 212 is not legal if its not listed on there. Only the listed ones are legal for ROAR.
EA
04-18-2012, 08:41 AM
I'm not sure how you could assume 212 would be legal? as there is no mention of it anywhere on that page.
Looking at that page, under the Software Version section, a couple of other speedo manufacturers have multiple version numbers allowed, Tekin only has one version listed - 223.
Looking at that page, under the Software Version section, a couple of other speedo manufacturers have multiple version numbers allowed, Tekin only has one version listed - 223.
We offered the Spec Lockout as an "option" not a requirement. You can still but the esc into regular "blinky" mode by using Timing Profile 1. It will blink led's 3 and 5, same as 212.
04-18-2012, 08:56 AM
I guess because if it was legal before why wouldn't it be legal now? If for example a new motor comes out, does the old one now become illegal? It would only seem logical that since 212 was legal simply because a newer version of software is available doesn't mean someone MUST use it.
We offered the Spec Lockout as an "option" not a requirement. You can still but the esc into regular "blinky" mode by using Timing Profile 1. It will blink led's 3 and 5, same as 212.
We offered the Spec Lockout as an "option" not a requirement. You can still but the esc into regular "blinky" mode by using Timing Profile 1. It will blink led's 3 and 5, same as 212.
By your logic, a newbie who didn't know that 208 was illegal, and somehow got ahold of 208, would have a valid argument to say that 208 was legal.
04-18-2012, 09:24 AM
Good point Buckaroo(that name makes me smile lol).
223 is better than 212 to begin with. I simply can see no reason to disallow the older 212 version. Regardless 223 is legal and the better of the two versions.
Moving on....
223 is better than 212 to begin with. I simply can see no reason to disallow the older 212 version. Regardless 223 is legal and the better of the two versions.
Moving on....
04-18-2012, 09:56 AM
Ideally there would be some faith and confidence in the manufacturers and we could approve a spec mode indicator rather than specific versions.
IE Any version that has the approved spec mode indicator is a legitimate version.
It simply makes no sense for a manufacturer to try and cheat considering the chances of getting away with it are ZERO. It has also been shown that there is no chance of hacking any of the controllers because they are all well encrypted and protected. In most cases it is just a lot of paranoia about nothing...
IE Any version that has the approved spec mode indicator is a legitimate version.
It simply makes no sense for a manufacturer to try and cheat considering the chances of getting away with it are ZERO. It has also been shown that there is no chance of hacking any of the controllers because they are all well encrypted and protected. In most cases it is just a lot of paranoia about nothing...
04-18-2012, 10:02 AM
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It has also been shown that there is no chance of hacking any of the controllers because they are all well encrypted and protected.
04-18-2012, 10:12 AM
I believe it was presented to some truely skilled hackers and technical experts outside of RC and that is what they responded back with. I agree with data systems, but we are talking about embedded firmware in this case.
If this is not true then we are truly doomed in spec racing since nonprogramable esc's or allowing only a single manufacturer does not fix the problem either.
More rules simply creates more areas to be exploited. The only place true equality exist is when everyone is pushing against the same peformance limits of the system and free market competition is allowed to exist. It is self regulating because everyone is motivated to compete and survive.
If this is not true then we are truly doomed in spec racing since nonprogramable esc's or allowing only a single manufacturer does not fix the problem either.
More rules simply creates more areas to be exploited. The only place true equality exist is when everyone is pushing against the same peformance limits of the system and free market competition is allowed to exist. It is self regulating because everyone is motivated to compete and survive.
Last edited by Tekin Prez; 04-18-2012 at 10:40 AM.
04-18-2012, 11:58 AM
From a manufacturer's perspective, I could see why you would want this. As your could distribute whatever software you wanted to whomever you wanted at any given time so long as it blinks. From a racer's perspective, this seems like regular joe vs. team driver favoritism.
The approval process is simply there to give a little oversight and double check leaglity. I don't see anything wrong with that.
04-18-2012, 01:00 PM
The Prez is not trying to argue the approval process in the first place. It clearly works as some esc's are approved, others are not.
Not all "spec" esc's actually blink for the record. This "class" has simply gotten the nickname since most of them do.
We have no issues with blinky spec racing, the approval process,etc. We feel that this "idea" and set of rules makes an even playing field for all companies and products that choose to enter the class.
Not all "spec" esc's actually blink for the record. This "class" has simply gotten the nickname since most of them do.
We have no issues with blinky spec racing, the approval process,etc. We feel that this "idea" and set of rules makes an even playing field for all companies and products that choose to enter the class.
04-19-2012, 09:39 PM
need help to register on Tekin site
I tried a hotmail and gmail email and both have the below reply
The e-mail address you entered is not allowed to be used.
How can I solve this Tekin please help.
thank you.
I tried a hotmail and gmail email and both have the below reply
The e-mail address you entered is not allowed to be used.
How can I solve this Tekin please help.
thank you.
04-20-2012, 03:39 AM
I can not see what all the fuss is about with what's on the ROAR list and what's not. Just upgrade to 223 and the problem is solved.
The only reason we have a blinky class is for those that didn't have a Tekin anyway.
The only reason we have a blinky class is for those that didn't have a Tekin anyway.
04-21-2012, 07:50 PM
Hello, just purchased a 13.5tekin motor and have a rs pro do anyone have a good set up and the final gear for it, thanks
04-22-2012, 04:39 AM
