U.S. Vintage Trans-Am Racing
#5896
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Once again I agree with hound dog. And what does "if you have to win mean" 95% of RC racers would like to win. Again thats why they call it racing. The class rules state that any esc can be used. A new driver getting into VTA will obviously do research on rctech and other sites on esc's and come up with his own oppinions. Most people will probably tell that person to buy an lrp or tekin. Now you are tellling that person they cant run that esc they just purchased. Sounds extremely unfair. Technology changes everyday. Just want to let you know that at the HPI challenge in New Jersey the winner on VTA ran a speed passion 2.0 and guess what he beat a few of the Tekin's. So I really dont see the issue here.
You don't get VTA either. Its about cool cars and driving talent. Its getting too fast already this year. We are already approching 17.5 speeds from last year. Most of the new guys don't know anything about carrying corner speed or driving a nice line. These new guys are showing up with new cars and the latest and greatest electronics and a Novak 21.5. They have enough money in their rigs to pay their mortgage for a month and this is TRANS AM. This class is about resurrecting a car we don't drive, tossing in some gear and competing with a track full of relatively equal cars all the way down to the D main. Driving talent was supposed to surface, but now these cars are almost point and shoot powerful. This class needs some slowing down. If you want to run a top end speedo, that's fine, but there should be some restrictions. Its not fair to the guy who can only afford a Havoc combo or the new guy buying his first setup and isn't on RCTech. They should be competitive too. If your that good, move up to RCGT or Sedan.
#5897
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Dave I think you know the answer to that lol. Everybody wants to win they just say they dont care but in the end guess what? They care. At your local raceway I bet they guys that yell at the marshalls the most and complain the most are the ones that say they dont care. That seems to be what happens lol. So than why do yell and complain lol.
#5898
Tech Elite
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OK, enough sarcasm. The SP 2.0 is programmable with its own interface. 100% of racers would like to win. 5% will try to win at all costs even if it spoils everyone elses fun.
You don't get VTA either. Its about cool cars and driving talent. Its getting too fast already this year. We are already approching 17.5 speeds from last year. Most of the new guys don't know anything about carrying corner speed or driving a nice line. These new guys are showing up with new cars and the latest and greatest electronics and a Novak 21.5. They have enough money in their rigs to pay their mortgage for a month and this is TRANS AM. This class is about resurrecting a car we don't drive, tossing in some gear and competing with a track full of relatively equal cars all the way down to the D main. Driving talent was supposed to surface, but now these cars are almost point and shoot powerful. This class needs some slowing down. If you want to run a top end speedo, that's fine, but there should be some restrictions. Its not fair to the guy who can only afford a Havoc combo or the new guy buying his first setup and isn't on RCTech. They should be competitive too. If your that good, move up to RCGT or Sedan.
You don't get VTA either. Its about cool cars and driving talent. Its getting too fast already this year. We are already approching 17.5 speeds from last year. Most of the new guys don't know anything about carrying corner speed or driving a nice line. These new guys are showing up with new cars and the latest and greatest electronics and a Novak 21.5. They have enough money in their rigs to pay their mortgage for a month and this is TRANS AM. This class is about resurrecting a car we don't drive, tossing in some gear and competing with a track full of relatively equal cars all the way down to the D main. Driving talent was supposed to surface, but now these cars are almost point and shoot powerful. This class needs some slowing down. If you want to run a top end speedo, that's fine, but there should be some restrictions. Its not fair to the guy who can only afford a Havoc combo or the new guy buying his first setup and isn't on RCTech. They should be competitive too. If your that good, move up to RCGT or Sedan.
If people have Tekin RS/Pro you need to do the following:
- NO TURBO BOOST (for version 200 firmware)
- NO TIMING BOOST (for all versions)
If LRP:
- USE NORMAL SETUP! No added boosts!
If Speed Passion:
- NORMAL SETUP! No boosts!!
I think this is going to peeve a few people off.
#5899
Tech Champion
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[QUOTE=dave;6265042]
If you dont care about winning, what different does it make how fast someone else is?
Dave
Its about attitude. I care about winning, but not at the cost of the fun of this class. The word "have" means "necessary". There is only one winner per race. It is not and never will be necessary to be the winner in any toy car race until they pay me to race. I don't run my car into a wall because I didn't win TA. I've seen it happen. Would I like to win, sure. Every time I go out. But I'm not a jerk to my fellow racers because I didn't.
Seems like everyone is out for blood today.
Originally Posted by If you have to win here, you're in the wrong class. [/QUOTE
If you dont care about winning, what different does it make how fast someone else is?
Dave
Seems like everyone is out for blood today.
#5900
Tech Champion
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If you want restrictions, here are some ideas, so people dont have to spend extra money:
If people have Tekin RS/Pro you need to do the following:
- NO TURBO BOOST (for version 200 firmware)
- NO TIMING BOOST (for all versions)
If LRP:
- USE NORMAL SETUP! No added boosts!
If Speed Passion:
- NORMAL SETUP! No boosts!!
I think this is going to peeve a few people off.
If people have Tekin RS/Pro you need to do the following:
- NO TURBO BOOST (for version 200 firmware)
- NO TIMING BOOST (for all versions)
If LRP:
- USE NORMAL SETUP! No added boosts!
If Speed Passion:
- NORMAL SETUP! No boosts!!
I think this is going to peeve a few people off.
#5901
Tech Addict
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I dont think we are out for blood I just think that with the current technology you are as slow as you are going to get. There is nothing slower than a 21.5 in brushless and nobody wants to go out and buy a 30t brushed motor because it simply wont last. I think the class is fine the way it is. The class gets huge turnouts everywhere do not go changing the class now it will only hurt it.
#5902
Tech Elite
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...it ALWAYS comes down to driver in ever class you run, PERIOD!
edit: liljohn im not trying to start a fight here I'm just simply stating my opinion... ESC's are like computers, once you take it home play with it for a few months and get to liking it somthing bigger and better is ont he slef and yours is obsolete... its the same way with any electronics these days...
Alex
edit: liljohn im not trying to start a fight here I'm just simply stating my opinion... ESC's are like computers, once you take it home play with it for a few months and get to liking it somthing bigger and better is ont he slef and yours is obsolete... its the same way with any electronics these days...
Alex
This discussion is moot though as most ESCs will have some sort of high-timing feature in due time. We're having growing pains with this issue, the same type of pains we had going to BL and Lipo. It happens. Sadly, we can't adjust FDR to get ourselves a level playing field b'c that would negatively affect the non-adjustable ESCs more than it would the adjustable ESCs.
#5903
Tech Champion
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I dont think we are out for blood I just think that with the current technology you are as slow as you are going to get. There is nothing slower than a 21.5 in brushless and nobody wants to go out and buy a 30t brushed motor because it simply wont last. I think the class is fine the way it is. The class gets huge turnouts everywhere do not go changing the class now it will only hurt it.
#5904
Tech Master
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Personally, the increased adjustability isn't my gripe....it's the extra speed we've found this season. Our tires are providing more traction than some of the spec offerings in the 17.5 class, and thus our lap times are getting too close for comfort. While some like the VTA bodies and wish to go as fast as possible, that notion defeats the main purpose of VTA, to be less expensive, slower, closer racing across the whole field, not just the top 3 drivers.
Just a few thoughts, no solid solutions from me yet. Frankly, I'd like to find a way to get a few tenths further away from 17.5, for a multitude of reasons (tire wear, class seperation, beginner appeal, etc.).
Just a few thoughts, no solid solutions from me yet. Frankly, I'd like to find a way to get a few tenths further away from 17.5, for a multitude of reasons (tire wear, class seperation, beginner appeal, etc.).
#5905
If you want restrictions, here are some ideas, so people dont have to spend extra money:
If people have Tekin RS/Pro you need to do the following:
- NO TURBO BOOST (for version 200 firmware)
- NO TIMING BOOST (for all versions)
If LRP:
- USE NORMAL SETUP! No added boosts!
If Speed Passion:
- NORMAL SETUP! No boosts!!
I think this is going to peeve a few people off.
If people have Tekin RS/Pro you need to do the following:
- NO TURBO BOOST (for version 200 firmware)
- NO TIMING BOOST (for all versions)
If LRP:
- USE NORMAL SETUP! No added boosts!
If Speed Passion:
- NORMAL SETUP! No boosts!!
I think this is going to peeve a few people off.
#5906
OK Here's a wild idea. Everybody who's going to race brings a car with there own receiver out and a velcro strip inside where it mounts. Then have a random drawing for whos car you get to run. You drop in your receiver calibrate the esc and race.
#5907
Tech Champion
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I'll still be doing this for fun no matter where it ends up. I might be at the back of the pack again.
I don't have a say in the actual rules, but I am a voice and I do care about the class. Going to 17.5 1S sounds good to me. Its really hard to spool a motor back up with limited power, so clean racing and carrying speed becomes top dog again. Rubbing and banging will happen, but it shouldn't ruin your whole day and its what makes this class different.
I don't have a say in the actual rules, but I am a voice and I do care about the class. Going to 17.5 1S sounds good to me. Its really hard to spool a motor back up with limited power, so clean racing and carrying speed becomes top dog again. Rubbing and banging will happen, but it shouldn't ruin your whole day and its what makes this class different.
#5910
Tech Champion
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Still makes it a pain to police. And are we talking about Thunder RC or the Official USVTA rules. Cause I gotta tell ya the latter is tired of hearing about it.
Has anyone tested 4cell 13.5 against the 21.5/2s?
Last edited by snoopyrc; 08-27-2009 at 01:20 PM.