Yokomo MR-4TC SD
#9077
Originally posted by Horatio
My guesstimations:
SSG - 1
RS Chassis - 6
RS Chassis with doubled top deck - 8
John Bull chassis (made out of ex 1:1 race car) - 9
CGM - 10
1 being flexible
10 being rigid
Style points:
SSG - 9 (just because it's silver!!)
RS - 9 (that WCF looks awesome)
Custom hand-made chassis - 9.5 (so long as it's WCF)
CGM - 5 (no comment!)
My guesstimations:
SSG - 1
RS Chassis - 6
RS Chassis with doubled top deck - 8
John Bull chassis (made out of ex 1:1 race car) - 9
CGM - 10
1 being flexible
10 being rigid
Style points:
SSG - 9 (just because it's silver!!)
RS - 9 (that WCF looks awesome)
Custom hand-made chassis - 9.5 (so long as it's WCF)
CGM - 5 (no comment!)
#9078
Sorry - WCF = Woven Carbon Fibre
As opposed to moulded composite resin/carbon fibre (like on the CGM).
Often both types are referred to simply as 'graphite'.
As opposed to moulded composite resin/carbon fibre (like on the CGM).
Often both types are referred to simply as 'graphite'.
#9080
Tech Regular
Originally posted by chambalero
Hi! what does WCF mean? I have a bnew RS SD and a 2nd hand CGM. I haven't used both yet. I'm thinking of getting rid of one. We have medium and high bite tracks here. which should I keep? Thanks in advance!
Hi! what does WCF mean? I have a bnew RS SD and a 2nd hand CGM. I haven't used both yet. I'm thinking of getting rid of one. We have medium and high bite tracks here. which should I keep? Thanks in advance!
A Gower
#9081
Tech Regular
Originally posted by Horatio
Sorry - WCF = Woven Carbon Fibre
As opposed to moulded composite resin/carbon fibre (like on the CGM).
Often both types are referred to simply as 'graphite'.
Sorry - WCF = Woven Carbon Fibre
As opposed to moulded composite resin/carbon fibre (like on the CGM).
Often both types are referred to simply as 'graphite'.
where i am everyone would call the cgm grpahite and the rayspeed or similar, carbon fibre.
also can you put a double topdeck on the ssg? do you just put 2 topdecks on with longer screws or do you have to glue the topdekcs together with something?
#9082
Tech Master
iTrader: (19)
QUESTIONS
Hi guys, would apppreciate if anyone can help with the following questions
a) is there a weight difference between the ssg and black chassis.
b) what would be the lightest servo i could use with a futaba 3pk pcm transmitter.
c) also what is the best and lightest speedie on the market
d) titanium screws against std kit screws
as you can see i have a weight issue with my ssg last race i was 1630 grams with a personal transponder.
regards Brad
a) is there a weight difference between the ssg and black chassis.
b) what would be the lightest servo i could use with a futaba 3pk pcm transmitter.
c) also what is the best and lightest speedie on the market
d) titanium screws against std kit screws
as you can see i have a weight issue with my ssg last race i was 1630 grams with a personal transponder.
regards Brad
#9083
BRAD.
1630 grams seems stupidly heavy and you will certainly have to put your CGM on a very strict diet.
To answer what I can of your questions.
1. As far as I know SSG and black weigh the same.
2. I believe digital servos are a bit lighter. I use KO Propo.
3. I've seen some tiny speedos but I'm not sure I would trust them. I use a Novak GT7 which whilst not light, is reliable.
4. Titanium screws - a MUST.
Change to graphite susp. arms, towers, diff cases, etc.
Go for alloy driveshafts, lighter prop shaft and input shafts.
Hope that helps.
1630 grams seems stupidly heavy and you will certainly have to put your CGM on a very strict diet.
To answer what I can of your questions.
1. As far as I know SSG and black weigh the same.
2. I believe digital servos are a bit lighter. I use KO Propo.
3. I've seen some tiny speedos but I'm not sure I would trust them. I use a Novak GT7 which whilst not light, is reliable.
4. Titanium screws - a MUST.
Change to graphite susp. arms, towers, diff cases, etc.
Go for alloy driveshafts, lighter prop shaft and input shafts.
Hope that helps.
#9084
I think it's time I resurect my Yok and order the CGM conversion, I miss that car... Doesn't seem like I will regret doing it...
#9085
Originally posted by agower
where i am everyone would call the cgm grpahite and the rayspeed or similar, carbon fibre...
where i am everyone would call the cgm grpahite and the rayspeed or similar, carbon fibre...
Graphite + Carbon Fibre = Exactly the same material.
In the USA, Graphite is the more commonly used term. In the UK, the term Carbon Fibre is more commonly used.
Composite Carbon Fibre/Composite Graphite is the material used on the CGM's chassis. It's basically a carbon reinforced plastic. (similar to FRP - fibre reinforced plastic & GRP glass reinforced plastic).
WCF - Woven Carbon Fibre is made from Carbon Fibre Cloth that is layered and coated with resin. The number of layers and also their orientation to each other determine the strength & stiffness of the WCF sheet. This is the material used on the RS. The SSG material differs slightly in as much that it has a silver surface which I believe is achieved by causing some sort of chemical reaction. More importantly from our point of view, it lacks the extra 45 degree weave that better quality WCF sheet has - thus the greater amount of flex across the chassis compared to after market chassis, like the RS for example.
Hope this helps.
Regards the CGM - it's stiffer because of the very nature of bath-tub type chassis. Incidentally, WCF bathtubs also exist which offer similar stiffness levels - but of course they look much nicer and cost loads
Perhaps one often overlooked feature of WCF is it's ability to remain stiff, even during really hot weather when track temps can get very high. Over the years, one critisism of the TC3 was a tendancy for the chassis to go 'soft' on hot race days.
Johnbull lives in Malta where it's really hot, so I guess if the CGM was going to suffer from heat, he'ld have told us about it by now -so I suppose it hasn't been an issue.
#9086
yeah the carbon fibre tub chassis are probably the ultimate stiff chassis, you can get them for around £80 in th UK
#9087
Tech Elite
iTrader: (14)
I think the CGM weight issue is a major one, at least the main one why I haven't done the switch so far... I run old electronics, because I'm on a budget... Older airtronics servo with heavy metal gear, heavy CycloneTC speedo, lexan-mounted motor fan, this all counts... Not anybody wants to dump 50 bucks on a Ti screw set, or a QC2. And usually, lighter peripherics = smaller = expensive... The CGM tops a hefty 100gms more on the scale than the SSG from what I understand, and I'm still wondering whether to buy that TC3 lookalike or not.
Question about the steering system: Is it as slop-prone as the SSG's?
About that Halifax Victory: from what I read, rain kinda messed things up... Drescher in D is far from usual...
LAter,
Paul
Question about the steering system: Is it as slop-prone as the SSG's?
About that Halifax Victory: from what I read, rain kinda messed things up... Drescher in D is far from usual...
LAter,
Paul
#9088
Tech Regular
hi,
i went to down to my LHS today for a change as they never normaly have anything decent, but i did see one yokomo packet all by itself but it was part number zs501s or zs502s which is the front or rear steel outdrives for the mr4tc and was wonderign if they are the same bits as the sd ones?
many thanks
A Gower
i went to down to my LHS today for a change as they never normaly have anything decent, but i did see one yokomo packet all by itself but it was part number zs501s or zs502s which is the front or rear steel outdrives for the mr4tc and was wonderign if they are the same bits as the sd ones?
many thanks
A Gower
#9089
Tech Initiate
Why the rayspeed is stiffer than stock ssg? Ssg has one plate more.
#9090
The quality of the Rayspeed carbon fiber is better. So it flexes less.