Foam Tires for Dummies
#16
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Originally Posted by K_Spec_RC
when truing tires for a 1/12, what is a good starting place? also, wat is the minimum you would want to true? What is a good compound to start with as well? I know this would depend on the type of track and the grip available, but just as a general rule of thumb?
Also you will need special .060" cut down front lower suspension arms to get ride height with tire smaller than 1.68" on an Associated front end. You can get these from IRS and CRC.
#17
Jaco 2 Stage
I was wondering if anyone had information on how the Jaco 2 Stage tires work on the sedans. The website doesn't say too much about the tires.
#18
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Originally Posted by Tek Nickal
I was wondering if anyone had information on how the Jaco 2 Stage tires work on the sedans. The website doesn't say too much about the tires.
In Mod what you want depends on the traction and your car. Use wraps on high traction tracks and on darty cars as part of the setup to mellow it out.
#19
Originally Posted by AdrianM
The wraps are almost mandatory in Stock and 19T sedan where they free up the car in the corners. This improves corner speed and help the cars flow better.
In Mod what you want depends on the traction and your car. Use wraps on high traction tracks and on darty cars as part of the setup to mellow it out.
In Mod what you want depends on the traction and your car. Use wraps on high traction tracks and on darty cars as part of the setup to mellow it out.
#20
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Originally Posted by Tek Nickal
"wraps"? I don't really know the terms used for these tires. Where would be a good place to start with these tires?
#21
Foam Tire Rims
Adrian,
Thanks for your summary. I appreciate you starting on the ground floor with us!
I have John's BSR double pink and double pink orange. The rims are very stiff and seemed more prone to crack than the new RP-30's. I just assumed since they looked and cracked kind of like the old RP-30's, they were not nylon. But they must be glass reinforced nylon then because they are so stiff. The new RP-30 rims look to be made from unreinforced, unpigmented nylon which is more flexible.
Based on what you said, I think the lesser toughness of the foams is likely due to mold design differences - thinner rim walls and no bead to reinforce. Maybe the flex of the RP-30's and rubber on the tires also helps them distribute load better in a crash.
Thanks for your summary. I appreciate you starting on the ground floor with us!
I have John's BSR double pink and double pink orange. The rims are very stiff and seemed more prone to crack than the new RP-30's. I just assumed since they looked and cracked kind of like the old RP-30's, they were not nylon. But they must be glass reinforced nylon then because they are so stiff. The new RP-30 rims look to be made from unreinforced, unpigmented nylon which is more flexible.
Based on what you said, I think the lesser toughness of the foams is likely due to mold design differences - thinner rim walls and no bead to reinforce. Maybe the flex of the RP-30's and rubber on the tires also helps them distribute load better in a crash.
#22
How to know which tire and brand to choose?
OK, some more questions.
What's the thought process behind choosing a foam tire compound ?
I check with the top guys and the LHS who supplies some of them. For instance they recommend double pink rear and double pink orange front, John's BSR, for club racing on carpet.
What happens if I get a lower or higher shore / color dot, and how do I know how much I can go one way or the other?
Is there a way to choose tires that aren't quite as fast, but close enough for club races, to reduce my costs?
Anyone else have any more great tips for eliminating the dreaded chunking ? I can't afford new tires every week. I am trying the CA glue with moderate success.
A little while back I saw a nice article with pictures on repairing foams. Anyone have the link? Maybe it was a magazine article.
Foam Tire repair links I found:
http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthre...oam+tire+chunk
http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthre...oam+tire+chunk
http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthre...oam+tire+chunk
http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthre...oam+tire+chunk
What's the thought process behind choosing a foam tire compound ?
I check with the top guys and the LHS who supplies some of them. For instance they recommend double pink rear and double pink orange front, John's BSR, for club racing on carpet.
What happens if I get a lower or higher shore / color dot, and how do I know how much I can go one way or the other?
Is there a way to choose tires that aren't quite as fast, but close enough for club races, to reduce my costs?
Anyone else have any more great tips for eliminating the dreaded chunking ? I can't afford new tires every week. I am trying the CA glue with moderate success.
A little while back I saw a nice article with pictures on repairing foams. Anyone have the link? Maybe it was a magazine article.
Foam Tire repair links I found:
http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthre...oam+tire+chunk
http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthre...oam+tire+chunk
http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthre...oam+tire+chunk
http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthre...oam+tire+chunk
#24
Tech Adept
Can anything be put on old tires that are dry to bring them back to life?
#26
How tight are the tolerances for matching tire height front to back? I threw some Jacos on my car right out of the box and have seriously poor handling compared to the previously shaved down tires. I now see that the rears are 63 mm and the fronts 61mm. Oops. What's a good starting point for height of a stock sedan tire? I changed too many things at once and now am not sure what to blame, as I also swapped in some heavier carpet weight springs.
#27
Originally Posted by Iceracer
How tight are the tolerances for matching tire height front to back? I threw some Jacos on my car right out of the box and have seriously poor handling compared to the previously shaved down tires. I now see that the rears are 63 mm and the fronts 61mm. Oops. What's a good starting point for height of a stock sedan tire? I changed too many things at once and now am not sure what to blame, as I also swapped in some heavier carpet weight springs.
#28
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Originally Posted by Iceracer
How tight are the tolerances for matching tire height front to back? I threw some Jacos on my car right out of the box and have seriously poor handling compared to the previously shaved down tires. I now see that the rears are 63 mm and the fronts 61mm. Oops. What's a good starting point for height of a stock sedan tire? I changed too many things at once and now am not sure what to blame, as I also swapped in some heavier carpet weight springs.
There is some much information I can type on this. I'm sure someone else can add to what I have said (or correct what I said) in this topic. I hope this can help all of you.
#29
Tech Master
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It's probably no big secret but, we're using "Speed Sew" to repair chunked foam tires. Four bucks a tube from Walmart and it's saved me a ton of $$. I feel a little stupid scouring the track after a club qualie for that little piece of foam but the repair is very durable. I've even used repaired tires at big races, they rarely fail if allowed to dry long enough.
#30
Speed Sew ? hmm where in WallyWorld to get it ?
Where do you get the speed sew, in craft section ?
I tried both "superglue" type and "shoe goo" types. Both work remarkably well for repair, although for prevention, so far "superglue" type is superior adhesion (works for multiple runs).
I can see why reducing tire sidewall ht is important. Too much flex at 61mm, scrub too much speed in corners. Tried 59.5, still too high, but better... probably try 58 next time.
Per my previous questions a few posts back, anyone want to post a summary on "choosing color dot / shore for carpet foams" to give us some guidance? For instance, can we use 2-stage to reduce chunking (seems to work really really well on my fronts) on the rear without losing too much traction ? Or what are the "acceptable" ranges of color dot we can try (e.g. just slightly less perfomance with a little harder shore to save $$$ at club races for us weekend warriors?). Or is there too much sacrifice in performance to be worthwhile ?
I tried both "superglue" type and "shoe goo" types. Both work remarkably well for repair, although for prevention, so far "superglue" type is superior adhesion (works for multiple runs).
I can see why reducing tire sidewall ht is important. Too much flex at 61mm, scrub too much speed in corners. Tried 59.5, still too high, but better... probably try 58 next time.
Per my previous questions a few posts back, anyone want to post a summary on "choosing color dot / shore for carpet foams" to give us some guidance? For instance, can we use 2-stage to reduce chunking (seems to work really really well on my fronts) on the rear without losing too much traction ? Or what are the "acceptable" ranges of color dot we can try (e.g. just slightly less perfomance with a little harder shore to save $$$ at club races for us weekend warriors?). Or is there too much sacrifice in performance to be worthwhile ?