ROAR to 4 cell....
12-21-2006, 06:41 AM
#1366
Originally Posted by Nova F1 Racer
OK... For 10 scale sedans, how about 4 classes/licenses/what-ever_you_want_to_CALL_IT
Class 1: beginner/novice, Motor: non-rebuildable stock Battery: 3800 MAX Car kit: $300 SRP
Can not be company/vendor sponsored, The Fun Class....
Class 2: Sportsman: Motor: rebuildable Stock and brushless, 4300 battery ANy kit car,
AGAIN non-sponsored The Competitive Class
Class 3: The expert: 19 turn or less, brushless. batteries: any plus lipos
Can be sponsored but not the full ride. The Fast Class
Class 4: THe Pro class: Anything and everything goes , modified motors, lipos, batteries. The EXPERT Class.
How'd I do?????
Class 1: beginner/novice, Motor: non-rebuildable stock Battery: 3800 MAX Car kit: $300 SRP
Can not be company/vendor sponsored, The Fun Class....
Class 2: Sportsman: Motor: rebuildable Stock and brushless, 4300 battery ANy kit car,
AGAIN non-sponsored The Competitive Class
Class 3: The expert: 19 turn or less, brushless. batteries: any plus lipos
Can be sponsored but not the full ride. The Fast Class
Class 4: THe Pro class: Anything and everything goes , modified motors, lipos, batteries. The EXPERT Class.
How'd I do?????
12-21-2006, 06:54 AM
#1367
Originally Posted by bvoltz
I kinda like it... The thought of stick packs in Stock... now that would be interesting... The factory guys would run away from that....
12-21-2006, 07:03 AM
#1368
Originally Posted by AdrianM
You can get stick packs with top level cells in them. The local Mini Cooper guys here are running Trinity matched IB4200 stick packs.
But hey if that is what they want to do as a group, then I happy for them... Just make them add weight....
12-21-2006, 07:05 AM
#1369
Nova,
What about the guy who wants to run LiPo and brushless on a sportsman level?
What about the the guys who run at tracks where 27 turn (my new years resolution is to never call it stock again) is too slow for their track.
It's not that what you posted is a bad idea, but try implementing and enforcing it. Every track and club has a different set of racers and circumstances. It's impossible to come up with one set of rules that can apply everywhere.
Add to that racers by their nature are selfish. They want to race what they want to race. They don't care about what's better for the hobby, they only care about what's better for them. Yes, there are exceptions, so don't go crazy you guys that help. This selfishness isn't a bad thing, just a fact of life. I mean look at the temper tantrums some people threw when ROAR just considered the idea of 4 cell.
Are there problems in our hobby? Yes! Are 27 turn sedans too fast and too expensive? Yes! How do we solve these problems? Now that's the million dollar question!
What about the guy who wants to run LiPo and brushless on a sportsman level?
What about the the guys who run at tracks where 27 turn (my new years resolution is to never call it stock again) is too slow for their track.
It's not that what you posted is a bad idea, but try implementing and enforcing it. Every track and club has a different set of racers and circumstances. It's impossible to come up with one set of rules that can apply everywhere.
Add to that racers by their nature are selfish. They want to race what they want to race. They don't care about what's better for the hobby, they only care about what's better for them. Yes, there are exceptions, so don't go crazy you guys that help. This selfishness isn't a bad thing, just a fact of life. I mean look at the temper tantrums some people threw when ROAR just considered the idea of 4 cell.
Are there problems in our hobby? Yes! Are 27 turn sedans too fast and too expensive? Yes! How do we solve these problems? Now that's the million dollar question!
12-21-2006, 07:29 AM
#1370
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Originally Posted by jiml
Nova,
What about the guy who wants to run LiPo and brushless on a sportsman level?
What about the the guys who run at tracks where 27 turn (my new years resolution is to never call it stock again) is too slow for their track.
It's not that what you posted is a bad idea, but try implementing and enforcing it. Every track and club has a different set of racers and circumstances. It's impossible to come up with one set of rules that can apply everywhere.
Add to that racers by their nature are selfish. They want to race what they want to race. They don't care about what's better for the hobby, they only care about what's better for them. Yes, there are exceptions, so don't go crazy you guys that help. This selfishness isn't a bad thing, just a fact of life. I mean look at the temper tantrums some people threw when ROAR just considered the idea of 4 cell.
Are there problems in our hobby? Yes! Are 27 turn sedans too fast and too expensive? Yes! How do we solve these problems? Now that's the million dollar question!
What about the guy who wants to run LiPo and brushless on a sportsman level?
What about the the guys who run at tracks where 27 turn (my new years resolution is to never call it stock again) is too slow for their track.
It's not that what you posted is a bad idea, but try implementing and enforcing it. Every track and club has a different set of racers and circumstances. It's impossible to come up with one set of rules that can apply everywhere.
Add to that racers by their nature are selfish. They want to race what they want to race. They don't care about what's better for the hobby, they only care about what's better for them. Yes, there are exceptions, so don't go crazy you guys that help. This selfishness isn't a bad thing, just a fact of life. I mean look at the temper tantrums some people threw when ROAR just considered the idea of 4 cell.
Are there problems in our hobby? Yes! Are 27 turn sedans too fast and too expensive? Yes! How do we solve these problems? Now that's the million dollar question!
We have to start somewhere don't we? Let's help ROAR make the first step and build on it instead of trying to find ways to do nothing and the problem gets bigger.
The 4 cell debate... I think the tide has turned and more people are looking at it as something that might be good for the hobby in the long run. I also think that it has to be tested, benchmarked with real data, not just some one's opinion. Josh and others are already started this and their opinions means something, others who post their opinions without actual hands on experience are just wasting diskspace and bandwidth...
And I am planning to run 4 cells after Xmas in my X-ray T2 to see what it's like and will post my opinion....
12-21-2006, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by bvoltz
I must say, they have gone to far with the idea of the Mini... But hey if that is what they want to do as a group, then I happy for them... Just make them add weight....
But hey if that is what they want to do as a group, then I happy for them... Just make them add weight.... I've built a 4 wheel drive shaft driven Tamiya Cooper that is the same length and width as the short mini cooper.... I put the high speed gears with a silver can motor along with a good stick pack and this car screams....
12-21-2006, 07:46 AM
#1372
I keep hearing that this will be good for the hobby... So if TC goes 4 cell are Stadium Trucks going to follow? Buggies? The E-Maxx will take 2 4 cell packs instead of 2 6 cell packs? NF and TTR 5th scale Motorcycles? All the bashing based RTR's and Kits out there?
12-21-2006, 08:10 AM
#1373
Originally Posted by vtl1180ny
I keep hearing that this will be good for the hobby... So if TC goes 4 cell are Stadium Trucks going to follow? Buggies? The E-Maxx will take 2 4 cell packs instead of 2 6 cell packs? NF and TTR 5th scale Motorcycles? All the bashing based RTR's and Kits out there?
12-21-2006, 09:46 AM
#1374
I will say this again, "The whole idea of trying to slow the cars down is a farse!!!" Again, think about what I posted a couple of pages ago. Racers will gear up and skirt the rules just enough to keep the same speeds or slightly increase them. They will then be the same ones again crying when their motors and ESCs burn up because of it. But, who are the ones complaining now? Mainly the ones that get their motors and ESCs free from their sponsors anyway. Most of us that race on a budget don't abuse our equipment like that because we would have to replace the burnt out stuff ourselves, not our sponsors.
This whole reducing cells debate has been a political ploy to eventually help manufacturers increase profit margins due to "us" rushing out and buying even more batteries, motors, ESCs, etc, to try to keep up with the competition. You don't have this same "slowing them down" argument in nitro. In that realm, you strap it on and go for it. If you can handle to speed, fine, if not, them you know you will be near the back of the pack. And if touring car is too slow for you, you step it up to 1/8th scale with multi-port .21s. Again, if the mod guys are complaining about burning up stuff, gear down or use lower-wind motors. Those choices are currently out there now (without changing rules). My opinion is leave the rule at 6-cell max and if a racer wants to run 4 or 5 cells, that is their choice.
This whole reducing cells debate has been a political ploy to eventually help manufacturers increase profit margins due to "us" rushing out and buying even more batteries, motors, ESCs, etc, to try to keep up with the competition. You don't have this same "slowing them down" argument in nitro. In that realm, you strap it on and go for it. If you can handle to speed, fine, if not, them you know you will be near the back of the pack. And if touring car is too slow for you, you step it up to 1/8th scale with multi-port .21s. Again, if the mod guys are complaining about burning up stuff, gear down or use lower-wind motors. Those choices are currently out there now (without changing rules). My opinion is leave the rule at 6-cell max and if a racer wants to run 4 or 5 cells, that is their choice.
12-21-2006, 10:02 AM
#1375
Originally Posted by JLock
I will say this again, "The whole idea of trying to slow the cars down is a farse!!!" Again, think about what I posted a couple of pages ago. Racers will gear up and skirt the rules just enough to keep the same speeds or slightly increase them. They will then be the same ones again crying when their motors and ESCs burn up because of it. But, who are the ones complaining now? Mainly the ones that get their motors and ESCs free from their sponsors anyway. Most of us that race on a budget don't abuse our equipment like that because we would have to replace the burnt out stuff ourselves, not our sponsors.
This whole reducing cells debate has been a political ploy to eventually help manufacturers increase profit margins due to "us" rushing out and buying even more batteries, motors, ESCs, etc, to try to keep up with the competition. You don't have this same "slowing them down" argument in nitro. In that realm, you strap it on and go for it. If you can handle to speed, fine, if not, them you know you will be near the back of the pack. And if touring car is too slow for you, you step it up to 1/8th scale with multi-port .21s. Again, if the mod guys are complaining about burning up stuff, gear down or use lower-wind motors. Those choices are currently out there now (without changing rules). My opinion is leave the rule at 6-cell max and if a racer wants to run 4 or 5 cells, that is their choice.
This whole reducing cells debate has been a political ploy to eventually help manufacturers increase profit margins due to "us" rushing out and buying even more batteries, motors, ESCs, etc, to try to keep up with the competition. You don't have this same "slowing them down" argument in nitro. In that realm, you strap it on and go for it. If you can handle to speed, fine, if not, them you know you will be near the back of the pack. And if touring car is too slow for you, you step it up to 1/8th scale with multi-port .21s. Again, if the mod guys are complaining about burning up stuff, gear down or use lower-wind motors. Those choices are currently out there now (without changing rules). My opinion is leave the rule at 6-cell max and if a racer wants to run 4 or 5 cells, that is their choice.
keep beating up on the begginer`s in stock....
untill no one races sedan`s
because
no one new is joining the fun as things are....
your choice .....
No change = doom
with change , a chance to grow.....
12-21-2006, 10:17 AM
#1376
Originally Posted by Wild Cherry
You can keep things the same ..
keep beating up on the begginer`s in stock....
untill no one races sedan`s
because
no one new is joining the fun as things are....
your choice .....
No change = doom
with change , a chance to grow.....
keep beating up on the begginer`s in stock....
untill no one races sedan`s
because
no one new is joining the fun as things are....
your choice .....
No change = doom
with change , a chance to grow.....
12-21-2006, 10:27 AM
#1377
Its not the speed .....
Its about
Getting Sedan racer`s to move up into mod or 19t....
Nothing seems to had worked in encouraging the stock racer to advance and the sport is about dead as a result....
Look at this though a beginner`s eye`s and the story will be become more clear....
or
a experience racer who races mod ....
Its about
Getting Sedan racer`s to move up into mod or 19t....
Nothing seems to had worked in encouraging the stock racer to advance and the sport is about dead as a result....
Look at this though a beginner`s eye`s and the story will be become more clear....
or
a experience racer who races mod ....
12-21-2006, 10:40 AM
#1378
Originally Posted by Wild Cherry
Its not the speed .....
Its about
Getting Sedan racer`s to move up into mod or 19t....
Nothing seems to had worked in encouraging the stock racer to advance and the sport is about dead as a result....
Look at this though a beginner`s eye`s and the story will be become more clear....
or
a experience racer who races mod ....
Its about
Getting Sedan racer`s to move up into mod or 19t....
Nothing seems to had worked in encouraging the stock racer to advance and the sport is about dead as a result....
Look at this though a beginner`s eye`s and the story will be become more clear....
or
a experience racer who races mod ....
12-21-2006, 10:52 AM
#1379
Originally Posted by Wild Cherry
Its not the speed .....
Its about
Getting Sedan racer`s to move up into mod or 19t....
Nothing seems to had worked in encouraging the stock racer to advance and the sport is about dead as a result....
Look at this though a beginner`s eye`s and the story will be become more clear....
or
a experience racer who races mod ....
Its about
Getting Sedan racer`s to move up into mod or 19t....
Nothing seems to had worked in encouraging the stock racer to advance and the sport is about dead as a result....
Look at this though a beginner`s eye`s and the story will be become more clear....
or
a experience racer who races mod ....
How about the price it takes to get into the hobby as the reason it's dying....
You're never going to get the sponsored guys out of the Spec classes... The money tuning Motors is all made in the Spec classes.... The sponsors need to show that they tune the motors the best... Obviously the sponsored guys aren't buying them.... Just cause Driver A wins using Motor B in mod doesn't mean that the guy who actually pays for his stuff is going to buy a Stock motor tuned by company B....
If TC goes to 4 cell nothing but the best batteries will make it 5 minutes... You think some newbie is going to come down with his abused 6 cell 2400 or 3000mah sport pack, take off 2 cells and make runtime? You're out of your mind....
Although I race I really consider myself a basher with the money for the good stuff.... I represent the guy who likes to run in the street or a parking lot around beer cans.... I see this as the end of my interest in TC's.... I don't like the 4 cell idea one bit....
12-21-2006, 11:01 AM
#1380
No one Budging
Thus the reason I quit racing Sedan a few year`s ago and run off-road.....
Mod Sedan is a bit insane with the heat issues ...
and sides
only a few will even race Mod Sedan today....
I refuse to race Stock Sedan as I understand the way to heathly race program is not by dominating stock and never moving up....
Its just not my style....
and
no matter, how fast your stock Sedan driver`s feel they are....
I welcome the cell change ...
Today's 6 cell 4200`s R nothing but 7 3000 cells packed into 6 cell`s....
Its well past the time to consider a reduction in cells ...
The dropping of the 7th cell ten years ago did not harm a thing ...
and now
its the same story....
cept maybe a few of you will like to go as fast or even faster as before in the 4 cell or 5 cell Mod program ....
which in hand
would encourage Racer`s like myself to join the fun again....
and
at the same time,open up the stock Class so the beginner can win and have the fun they deserve
Mod Sedan is a bit insane with the heat issues ...
and sides
only a few will even race Mod Sedan today....
I refuse to race Stock Sedan as I understand the way to heathly race program is not by dominating stock and never moving up....
Its just not my style....
and
no matter, how fast your stock Sedan driver`s feel they are....
I welcome the cell change ...
Today's 6 cell 4200`s R nothing but 7 3000 cells packed into 6 cell`s....
Its well past the time to consider a reduction in cells ...
The dropping of the 7th cell ten years ago did not harm a thing ...
and now
its the same story....
cept maybe a few of you will like to go as fast or even faster as before in the 4 cell or 5 cell Mod program ....
which in hand
would encourage Racer`s like myself to join the fun again....
and
at the same time,open up the stock Class so the beginner can win and have the fun they deserve
Last edited by Wild Cherry; 12-21-2006 at 11:22 AM.