R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric On-Road

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 09-08-2008, 04:23 PM   #271
Tech Addict
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 649
Trader Rating: 1 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cherry View Post
Why ?


Its not fun racing on a big-O-parking lot with a spec motor...
I think that it's important to note that for experienced racers, racing on a big ol parking lot track (or just about any other track) with a spec motor shouldn't be so much "fun". The faster classes are where the experienced racers are supposed to be.

Our slowest class "stock" shouldn't be where the experienced and competitive racers should be. It should be where the new racers and "hobbyist" racers are. All of the competitive racers should be in the faster classes.

You'll never get the "fast guys" or the extremely competitive racers out of stock until you slow it to the point where there is no prestige in winning a stock race. We can't force people to run a certain class but we can set the classes so that they help people make the decision to move up. And no it doesn't have anything to do with sponsorships. It has everything to do with stock racers that refuse to give the new racers a chance to learn. Add to that the fact that stock onroad (especially sedan) is so fast that novice racers break each run and you have a recipe for not keeping new racers.

Getting racers to all agree on a class or set of rules is like herding cats. That's why we need the leadership/sanctioning body (AKA ROAR) to set the rules so that they make sense. Seperate the speeds more and people will find a class that makes sense for them.
Fred_B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2008, 10:27 PM   #272
Tech Regular
 
HI_808's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 359
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by or8ital View Post
You are way out in left field if you think a free market is the problem with the economy and its a bad thing. A free market when left alone is self correcting.
Conventional thought would place me more in right-center, actually. The invisible hand that guides the economy fixes many things, but there are downfalls to a free market as well. This thread and the talk of RC becoming too expensive would not exist otherwise.
HI_808 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2008, 09:20 PM   #273
Tech Regular
 
iixliltonyx33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 311
Trader Rating: 7 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to iixliltonyx33
Default

school is also a major reason also sports
__________________
Tony

Team Driver for TNT Racing and Scuba Steve Graphixs

360 rc speedway and hobbies, Willis Hobbies
iixliltonyx33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2008, 12:40 AM   #274
Tech Addict
 
cyclone speed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 621
Default

i think many people are leaving the hobby because they dont have time .
i.e i go to people that go to scholl dont really have time come back late like 5 oclock then do your work until 7 pm then revise your work then diner all this takes time i think its because of this you dont have time to go practise at your local track that is 30 mins away from you.

I dont think its because of the expexse because if you save money abit every time you will be able to buy your self a TA05 ( very good starting car that you can upgrade slowly and the upgrades arent very expensive ) or get yourself a cyclone WCE from ebay used but like new for cheap like 150 $.

what i was wondering is how can elliot harper practise if he goes to school.
cyclone speed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2008, 03:11 AM   #275
Tech Master
 
racer34v's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,736
Trader Rating: 126 (100%+)
Send a message via Yahoo to racer34v
Default

Cyclone-

Time is the exact reason i dont race.
racer34v is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2008, 09:06 AM   #276
Tech Regular
 
minimusprime's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: OC CA
Posts: 265
Trader Rating: 19 (100%+)
Default

rc racing really isn't that expensive. at least at the club level. Competing at the national level with no sponsors is a totally different deal. However even then it isn't killer. Figure what... a big race week/weekend costs you some where around 2large?

I just came off a 10 year RC hiatus (I quit before i went to undergrad) Now that I've been out in the real world after school and whatnot I decided to get back in. Mainly because I was sick of spending 500 a month on tires to do track days with my real car. So Rc seems pretty dang cheap compared to track days with my mini.

At any rate cost is self imposed in this hobby. For roughly $1,000 in hardware (start to finish) you can be competitive on the club level and even possibly put yourself in B, C main in 13.5 or stock at the national level. What's funny is some people spend tons of money on cars and upgrade every year, but it's just simply not necessary. At best a significan't hardware upgrade is going to net you .5 seconds a lap and that's generous. Typically that can be made up with driving consistancy and a new diff etc etc. I will conceed that trying to keep up with the pro's is a game of every little bit counts... but for 99% of us, you can still be running on a 415 or xray 007 and do just fine.

I think that it's most likely that movement in and out of this hobby right now is split 50/50 between external and internal driving forces. On one hand people are leary of switching technology to brushless and lipo... combine that with classing problems when you try to go from track to track and national race to national race and things are a pita. Also there is the economical driving forces. Not so much the physical cost of the cars and parts but the adjustable costs of people having to work more, gas getting more expensive etc etc.

only time will tell... but rc racing has always gone through ups and downs. Lets hope this is just a short term temporary down.
minimusprime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2008, 12:05 PM   #277
Tech Addict
 
cyclone speed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 621
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by minimusprime View Post
rc racing really isn't that expensive. at least at the club level. Competing at the national level with no sponsors is a totally different deal. However even then it isn't killer. Figure what... a big race week/weekend costs you some where around 2large?

I just came off a 10 year RC hiatus (I quit before i went to undergrad) Now that I've been out in the real world after school and whatnot I decided to get back in. Mainly because I was sick of spending 500 a month on tires to do track days with my real car. So Rc seems pretty dang cheap compared to track days with my mini.

At any rate cost is self imposed in this hobby. For roughly $1,000 in hardware (start to finish) you can be competitive on the club level and even possibly put yourself in B, C main in 13.5 or stock at the national level. What's funny is some people spend tons of money on cars and upgrade every year, but it's just simply not necessary. At best a significan't hardware upgrade is going to net you .5 seconds a lap and that's generous. Typically that can be made up with driving consistancy and a new diff etc etc. I will conceed that trying to keep up with the pro's is a game of every little bit counts... but for 99% of us, you can still be running on a 415 or xray 007 and do just fine.

I think that it's most likely that movement in and out of this hobby right now is split 50/50 between external and internal driving forces. On one hand people are leary of switching technology to brushless and lipo... combine that with classing problems when you try to go from track to track and national race to national race and things are a pita. Also there is the economical driving forces. Not so much the physical cost of the cars and parts but the adjustable costs of people having to work more, gas getting more expensive etc etc.

only time will tell... but rc racing has always gone through ups and downs. Lets hope this is just a short term temporary down.
your correct , rc racing isnt really expensive you dont need the best stuff to win i.e a guy at my local track won the a main with a TC3 that was 2 years old and with brushed and 5 cell GP cells that were 25 pounds against people that had a cyclone T2008 super orion sho 60 pounds a pack etc ...
I try to go to my local track to practise every week even if i have school because rc racing is great and i love it.I think time is really the problem
cyclone speed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2008, 12:46 PM   #278
Tech Master
 
hanzo3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Anaheim Hills, CA
Posts: 1,293
Trader Rating: 55 (100%+)
Default

I am new to 1/10 TC. I think people are leaving TC is because of the cost. BL system, chassis, pinions, servos, tires. It adds up. $28 for a box of AE springs? $60 for an ITF main chassis for asphalt?

But I managed to get a used TC5 for $150 in great condition. Buying on this forum used really cuts down on cost.
__________________
Chris • TRF419 • TA05V2 •
TQ RC Racing • Powered by teeth
hanzo3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2008, 01:48 PM   #279
Tech Elite
 
Victor Vector's Avatar
R/C Tech Elite Subscriber
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Over Here
Posts: 2,788
Trader Rating: 9 (100%+)
Default

I had a dulling moment a couple of days ago.

My 1:1 Camero has needed a motor for a year. I look on Craigs List and see 350s that have a little build on them even, for $500 and I think it's too expensive !!

The numbing started as I looked over my toy bench to see 4 cars, 3 of them are $500 kits for a chassis with no wheels.............................

RC racing is an addiction in an age of recovery.......................

I tried withdrawing to a cheaper class; still doesn't work as I need to spend on the good bits,

I went cold turkey in 1998 on a blind turn, to fall back in ther sack one day 5 years later when I smelled Paragon on a geezer I work with and he took me to the local track in Salem.

Now I have some feelings about the issue as that Camero is a creamer to drive.....

Bugger it all, one fix to another !!

Jacko
__________________
Jack Balchin.
Timezone Hooligan
IBEW Local 48-retired (Definitely, great pension.)
Victor Vector is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2008, 02:17 PM   #280
Tech Master
 
PitNamedGordie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Highwood, IL
Posts: 1,789
Trader Rating: 8 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to PitNamedGordie Send a message via Yahoo to PitNamedGordie
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor Vector View Post
RC racing is an addiction in an age of recovery.......................


You've hit the nail on the head! That explains all of the threads like this one. Our favorite drug is getting too hard to afford/spend time on. Some are sobering up...others are spiraling deeper into addiction

Personally...I've relapsed
__________________
☆ The Track @ Harbor Hobbies ☆ www.harbor-hobby.net ☆
PitNamedGordie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2008, 02:23 PM   #281
Tech Master
 
hanzo3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Anaheim Hills, CA
Posts: 1,293
Trader Rating: 55 (100%+)
Default

Battery strapping tape $20? It's stuff like this that bugs me. There has to be a place to get this cheaper.
__________________
Chris • TRF419 • TA05V2 •
TQ RC Racing • Powered by teeth
hanzo3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2008, 02:43 PM   #282
Tech Master
 
PitNamedGordie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Highwood, IL
Posts: 1,789
Trader Rating: 8 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to PitNamedGordie Send a message via Yahoo to PitNamedGordie
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hanzo3 View Post
Battery strapping tape $20? It's stuff like this that bugs me. There has to be a place to get this cheaper.
Yeah! However at my track we have LARGE roles for $2.50...where they should be! We have to stop paying for things like "Parma Pro Servo Tape" (rebadged 3M tape) for $6 when you can go buy the orginal for $2.99 at Home Depot.

There are different grades of strapping tape...check places like U-Line.
__________________
☆ The Track @ Harbor Hobbies ☆ www.harbor-hobby.net ☆
PitNamedGordie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2008, 10:35 PM   #283
Tech Elite
 
SammyZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New England
Posts: 3,045
Trader Rating: 138 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hanzo3 View Post
Battery strapping tape $20? It's stuff like this that bugs me. There has to be a place to get this cheaper.
dude its $4 at your local hardware store. Its used to tape box's.
SammyZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2008, 02:57 AM   #284
Tech Addict
 
32819toon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: North of England
Posts: 580
Trader Rating: 1 (100%+)
Default

I agree about it being an addiction. I quit in the late 80's due to the cost being too great, even at club level. About 4 years ago I bought a used nitro car just to mess around with and I got hooked again. Now I race TC every week at a club not too far away, and last week my 5 year old boy raced for the first time.

I do agree that costs must be standardised but at our club it's a case of run what you bring, no limits. I would like to see the vintage trans am class in the UK, or something similar to raise interest and keep a class low cost.
__________________
32819toon
VBC Wildfire D08, Yokomo BD7 RS, Schumacher Atom, Tamiya M03, M05 (outdoor Mini), M03RWD, MF01-X, BSR M-Rage, ABC Gambado, Associated TC4 (outdoor car).
32819toon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2008, 10:27 AM   #285
Tech Elite
 
Turbo Joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Corona, CA
Posts: 4,878
Trader Rating: 41 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by or8ital View Post
You are way out in left field if you think a free market is the problem with the economy and its a bad thing. A free market when left alone is self correcting.
...and apparently, you're one of those people that got your economics education from bumper stickers. If you read the rest of what the "fathers" of market theory had to say about the the pitfalls of capitalism, you might not sound so dogmatic.

It's like assuming that latex paint will cover in one coat...and complaining loudly when it doesn't...when you didn't actually read the directions.
Turbo Joe is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Leaving R/C Hobby screamer25cc R/C Items: For Sale/Trade 0 01-25-2006 03:41 PM
LEAVING HOBBY, Everything is for sale!! ghöst R/C Items: For Sale/Trade 9 09-07-2005 07:44 AM
Leaving hobby sale ghöst R/C Items: For Sale/Trade 18 08-31-2005 12:53 PM
Leaving Hobby....Everything Must Go !!!!! nsgland R/C Items: For Sale/Trade 12 05-03-2005 08:46 AM
For Sale.......Leaving the Hobby Schuie Driver R/C Items: For Sale/Trade 7 10-27-2002 04:37 PM



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 12:01 AM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net