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MOTOR OF MONTH NO MORE!!!
3.5mm MALE bullet connectors are REQUIRED
at all CanAm races

CanAm Motor & Transmission Specs
USGT
ORCA------------4.40min FDR Indoors-------------169g

STOCK TC
TEAM POWERS------5.40 min FDR Indoors-----------------173g

SUPER STOCK TC
SCORPION-----6.20 min FDR Indoor--------------------170g

CanAm Stock 1/12th
TEAM SCREAM-------------OPEN-----------------------160g

CanAm Super Stock 1/12th
TEAM SCREAM-----------35T/88T-----------------------160g

CanAm F1
SCORPION-----------------28T/92T-----------------------170g

CanAm WGTR
ORCA---------------------36T/92T-----------------------169g


TC/USGT Likely Spur/Pinion Combinations
USGT
1.7 Internal
96/37 => 4.411 FDR
101/39 => 4.403 FDR

1.80 Internal
93/38 => 4.405 FDR
98/40 => 4.410 FDR

1.85 Internal
100/42 => 4.405 FDR

1.9 Internal
95/41 => 4.402 FDR
102/44 => 4.405 FDR

2.0 Internal
99/45 => 4.400 FDR

STOCK TC INDOOR
1.7 Internal
102/32 => 5.419 FDR
105/33 => 5.409 FDR
108/34 => 5.400 FDR

1.80 Internal
99/33 => 5.400FDR
102/34 => 5
.400 FDR
105/35 => 5
.400 FDR
108/36 => 5
.400 FDR
111/37 => 5
.400 FDR

1.85 Internal
108/37 => 5.400 FDR
111/38 => 5.404 FDR
114/39 => 5.408 FDR

1.9 Internal
108/38 => 5.400 FDR
111/39 => 5.408 FDR

2.0 Internal
92/34 => 5.412 FDR
100/37 => 5.405 FDR
108/40 => 5.400 FDR

SUPER STOCK TC INDOOR
1.7 Internal

106/29 => 6.214 FDR
110/30 => 6.233 FDR

1.80 Internal
100/29 => 6.207 FDR
107/31 => 6.213 FDR
114/33 => 6.218 FDR

1.85 Internal
104/31 => 6.206 FDR
114/34 => 6.203 FDR

1.9 Internal
98/30 => 6.207 FDR
108/33 => 6.218 FDR
111/34 => 6.203 FDR

2.0 Internal
112/36 => 6.222 FDR

NB: Serpent Project 4X was checked and due to the O.D. of the center pulley the internal is not exactly 2.000. Testing revealed it is closer to 2.005. For Serpent Cars ONLY, the drivers who wish to be as close as possible to the Minimum FDR can use the following spur/pinion combinations: SS TC => 99/32; Stock TC => 97/36; USGT => 101/46.

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Old 03-17-2019, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by redmonster27
Gearing needs to be opened up for pancar classes some of the motors like more gear and some like less not that it makes the cars faster but the fall off in 8 min run is less and the motor needs more speed at Cleveland this year they were so slow it was boring we should have been taking shots while waiting for the car to go down the straight. Very slow!
Can am didnt pick the gearing for Stock 12th scale at Champs. The champs directors did.
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Either way it's impossible to make every motor the same so gearing needs to be open. Like I said some fade more depending on the gearing. Some get hotter then others with the fixed gear and tire size is open so what's the matter with opening the gear. And it was found that alot of guys weren't running the spec gear do to there sponsor not making that gear size. I'm not pointing fingers just saying there don't need to be so many limitations is all
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Originally Posted by redmonster27
Either way it's impossible to make every motor the same so gearing needs to be open. Like I said some fade more depending on the gearing. Some get hotter then others with the fixed gear and tire size is open so what's the matter with opening the gear. And it was found that alot of guys weren't running the spec gear do to there sponsor not making that gear size. I'm not pointing fingers just saying there don't need to be so many limitations is all
i disagree w/ this statement -- sorry. the only place that is questionable about gearing is the pan car classes w/ foam tires.

even with that said -- our most recent large event, snowbirds, stock 1/12th was SO DAM CLOSE. with fixed gearing.

i'd like to hear about which can-am motor races you've attended and thought motors weren't the same speed. please air your dirty laundry based upon FACTS
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Its not about speed but fade didnt say anything about speed besides the champs race and I would bet 95% of the guys that ran it would say the same. They were slow for that big track. These are facts from three different motors at the same track mine seems to be the only one that likes the fixed gear. One guys needs two less teeth on the pinion and the third seems to like 2 more teeth which is odd but his motor seems to like more gear. This is not a negative statement hanulec just my thought on the situation been running can am since it was introduced and it's good for racing just needs some tweaking. There my dirty draws are clean lol!
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Originally Posted by redmonster27
Its not about speed but fade didnt say anything about speed besides the champs race and I would bet 95% of the guys that ran it would say the same. They were slow for that big track. These are facts from three different motors at the same track mine seems to be the only one that likes the fixed gear. One guys needs two less teeth on the pinion and the third seems to like 2 more teeth which is odd but his motor seems to like more gear. This is not a negative statement hanulec just my thought on the situation been running can am since it was introduced and it's good for racing just needs some tweaking. There my dirty draws are clean lol!
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i disagree w/ this statement -- sorry. the only place that is questionable about gearing is the pan car classes w/ foam tires.

even with that said -- our most recent large event, snowbirds, stock 1/12th was SO DAM CLOSE. with fixed gearing.

i'd like to hear about which can-am motor races you've attended and thought motors weren't the same speed. please air your dirty laundry based upon FACTS
Now Red, don't get mad at me. We're friends. I agree that Can-Am has slowed everything down, as is the case with USGT. However, I like it. keeps the racing close and more exciting.
My thoughts are that if you want to drive a faster car, drive in a faster class.
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That's just it I'm not complaining about speed except for the champs can am is good for racing I said that already but in my opinion there's no reason to spec the gear in 12th scale as I said earlier the motors like different ratios why is it hard to understand I'm talking about fade not overall speed and it's funny cause the one that noticed it is a factory driver and has been running 12th scale for 20 plus years. Fade is real when your running 1cell batteries just trying to cut down on overall fade. That's it no need for all the bickering
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After long break I returned to racing. I got to say Can-Am 1/12 with 10.5 and Spec tires has got to be the best thing ever.

I been running at 360v2 in Ny and it is a med to large track and the combination has been amazing. The racing is super close the speed is driveable for a variety of skill levels.

It a no bullshit class. Just show up and drive. If your slow it because your slow...

17.5 would be a little dull on track the size of 360v2 but at small tight track it would be great.

Viva la "Can-Am"
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Are you sure it's a 10.5?

The way my 12 CA is geared and timed, seems like a 17.5 or 13.5. No wind marking on the motor. Just CanAm 12 stock.
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There's a can am stock motor and a super stock motor which is marked. Ss on the can
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I ran TC for the first time a few weeks ago, and it was great. Don't worry about gear, just drive and worry about setup changes. It definitely shows where your driving skills rank and not so much your gearing abilities.
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Originally Posted by J.Gonzalez
After long break I returned to racing. I got to say Can-Am 1/12 with 10.5 and Spec tires has got to be the best thing ever.

I been running at 360v2 in Ny and it is a med to large track and the combination has been amazing. The racing is super close the speed is driveable for a variety of skill levels.

It a no bullshit class. Just show up and drive. If your slow it because your slow...

17.5 would be a little dull on track the size of 360v2 but at small tight track it would be great.

Viva la "Can-Am"
100% true . Can am is the best thing ever for all classes. Yes the faster guys are gonna be faster but they aren’t beating the slower guys ( like me) in the straightaway . They keep tighter lines and adjust their cars better. I try to follow the faster cars as much as I can and when my 12 scale isn’t doing what I want it to do I try to adjust. I can’t race every weekend but when I do I know that if I get it right I have a chance. In the end that’s all every average racer wants. And CanAm racing does that .
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Originally Posted by redmonster27
Its not about speed but fade didnt say anything about speed besides the champs race and I would bet 95% of the guys that ran it would say the same. They were slow for that big track. These are facts from three different motors at the same track mine seems to be the only one that likes the fixed gear. One guys needs two less teeth on the pinion and the third seems to like 2 more teeth which is odd but his motor seems to like more gear. This is not a negative statement hanulec just my thought on the situation been running can am since it was introduced and it's good for racing just needs some tweaking. There my dirty draws are clean lol!
I agree with this statement having watched it first hand. There is a variable with 12th scale and that is that the tires are constantly getting smaller, therefore the rollout is going to change. In a rubber tire class such as F1 or GTR, the rollout doesn't change. I'm sorry but having a fixed pinion rule isn't a good idea at all. I dislike it so much that I have sold my 12th scale car. If you're going to spec a gear, then fine, I'll run a rubber tire class.
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Previously I’ve not been a fan of the CanAm concept and have posted as such. Spec motors and tires, yes. Handout CanAm motors, not so much. But recent developments have changed my outlook. So what’s changed? Well the organized club racing at the only venue anywhere near where I live now has pretty much fizzled out. So, sadly, I will no longer have anywhere to practice or to club race regularly. That being the case, it’s going to be pretty difficult for me to stay on top of my racing program as i’ve always done for over 25 years. Next indoor season, I’ll likely only get to race at a couple of the bigger events, like perhaps the SlowBirds, the Halloween Classic and or the US Indoor Champs. And when I show up I’ll be super rusty and out of touch. Not having to worry at all about anything motor related ( timing, gearing, motor selection, etc) will be a great help to someone like me who rarely gets any opportunity to race. So I hereby retract my previous less than positive statements about the way CanAm motors are handled. My own situation (with no viable local track available) has opened my eyes and made me realize the true benefit of the CamAm motors concept.

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I agree with this statement having watched it first hand. There is a variable with 12th scale and that is that the tires are constantly getting smaller, therefore the rollout is going to change. In a rubber tire class such as F1 or GTR, the rollout doesn't change. I'm sorry but having a fixed pinion rule isn't a good idea at all. I dislike it so much that I have sold my 12th scale car. If you're going to spec a gear, then fine, I'll run a rubber tire class.
So the Canadian Nats ran a 58/72 fixed gear. 2 teeth higher than any other race. The change in tire size is almost non factor. I ran fastest lap when my tires were the smallest during the event. 3 different motors, all felt the same to me.

Once again, Can am didnt spec the gear for the class. That is the Races that are doing that.
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So the Canadian Nats ran a 58/72 fixed gear. 2 teeth higher than any other race. The change in tire size is almost non factor. I ran fastest lap when my tires were the smallest during the event. 3 different motors, all felt the same to me.

Once again, Can am didnt spec the gear for the class. That is the Races that are doing that.
On that big of a track I would imagine all three motors would feel the same. But as it was stated before, at our local track one racer's motor runs best at the can am gearing, another racer's motor runs best at two teeth higher and still another racers motor runs it's best two teeth lower. If they were to all run the same gearing, then the first racer will be faster in the straight along with other parts of the track, just because he is able to use the optimal horsepower at that gear. So no, I still don't think having a spec'd gear is the right thing to do, as we have tested and proven this at our home track. I can also say I'm not alone in my thinking, but whatever. I'm not racing 12th scale anymore and from what I can tell other's are starting to drop the class as well.
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