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Here are some good build tips and notes from b1narych0ice (thank you):

Specific build step comments/warnings, including areas I replaced stock parts -- Think of this as a FAQ that answers questions I had from other builders about each step:

A-3: You can instead use TLR Aluminum Servo Mount here.
A-5: Be sure to get the shorter screw in the correct hole.
A-6: Use a 76 or 78T spur if you are running a 13.5T-21.5T motor instead of the 84 in the kit! and...
A-6: The plastic washer between the pulley and the thrust assembly should be oriented so that the flat side goes toward the pulley, and the side with the ring goes towards the thrust assembly's metal washer. Diagram in instructions is correct, you just can't see that this washer isn't flat on both sides from the illustration.
A-7: Be sure the nut holding the Full-Time 4WD assembly is nice and tight, I have seen it get loose in the 1.0 car!
A-9: Put the gears on the jackshaft before the c-clips, so that you don't have to deal with getting the c-clips off to put the gears on

B-2: It seems to be possible to push the outdrives on so tight that they bind when spun, be sure to ensure that they spin freely as the manual notes.
B-7: You're screwing the 1.3mm screws into metal, don't crank so hard you strip the heads on the screws. While this is metal-on-metal, the manual doesn't call for loctite here.
B-8: The rear diff has fewer/bigger teeth, the front diff has more/smaller teeth.
C-3/C-4: TLR Aluminum Bellcranks and Exotek steering rack can be used here to increase durability/reduce steering slop
C-8: TLR Aluminum A/B Horn can be used to increase durability/reduce steering slop.
D-2: Don't worry about the kingpins sticking out the front even when the nut is tight, the bumper will push them in and keep them there.
D-5: Shock tower screws were the tightest plastic part on my kit, look from the side when tightening down the tower at the gap between the tower and the front bulkhead, tighten until this gap is closed.
D-6/D-7: Don't mix up the CVA pins and the hex pins, should be easy because hex pins are black and CVA pins are silver.
D-8/D-9: Use a toothpick to get threadlock in the metal block instead of applying it to the shoulder bolt, so that you don't get it between the plastic spindle and the metal block.
E-1/E-2: Don't mix up the 10mm pins for the rear hexes with the 11mm pins for the rear CVAs! They are packaged together and both silver, so it's easy to think you just have 4 pins that are the same!
G-1: No need to install the post on the right side if you are running a shorty and use velcro to attach the body to the mud guards. You can move the right post up or down a little so that it snugly fits your shorty battery.
G-2: Aluminum Servo Horn can be used here.
G-4: Adjust the length of the link and the servo horn position so that both the servo horn and the horn on the bellcranks are parallel with each other, and perpendicular with the link.

Hope this helps some of you that are putting your kits together, and thanks to Frank and the TLR crew for a solid kit!

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Driveshaft Update from Frank - I've reviewed some parts today from stock. The 'issue' part is definitely the rear CVA driveshaft bone. The pin slot is not 90* to the bore for the barrel. We are working to get good parts made and here for CS use ASAP.

Some of the parts I checked were not 100% free, but definitely run-able. Keep in mind that the driveshafts should wear in fairly well, and quickly (within a few packs). If you have a 22-4 2.0 and are experiencing issues with the driveshafts, we won't have good replacements for probably a couple of weeks (no definitive timeline yet), so I would recommend running them on track for 1-2 packs, then rechecking. I think most will free up well.

I am sorry that we are having an issue. Everything was great during samples until production, but we'll make sure to get it right, and make it right for those with the bad parts.
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What is the proper level for the diffs...i am used to building 8th scale diffs, i would assume its the same?
Just under level. You need some room for the output gear that is in the cap.

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Frank can u explain what is the difference between the a and b horn, TLR331018?
It isn't the horn, it is the ackermann setting. B will have less off power, better mid corner steering. A will have more off power steering, less mid corner.

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Old 05-08-2017, 09:18 PM
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It'd be nice if the driveline were redesigned to be a 2 belt system. The 3 belt setup was meant to center the motor, which became less necessary when everybody went to short packs from saddle packs.
Yeah, I'm not sure why the car drives so well, it's pretty amazing how such an old design still gets it done. IMO, they've just refined, refined, refined, refined the car over the years to the point where it's just perfect.

I feel like the belt drive system is just more responsive to throttle inputs with less slack and the two pad slipper system just seems to lay the power down so well. That's my opinion anyway, I'll probably do a heads-up video of the B64 vs. 22-4 2.0.
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The spur is a pain to change however as long as your not running two classes such as 13.5 and mod in the same race night and having to change spurs its not that big of a deal, and if stripping is an issue, something is not set right as I have the same spur on mine for almost a year and still looks new and quiet.

As far as 3 vs 2 belt design, I used to drive Schumucher before Losi and the SX3 was a 3 belt, K1 was a 2 belt, I always thought the 3 belt was better more consistent and a freer drive train..seems odd, but it just worked better.
Again the combination that losi has with the 224 2.0 is pretty much perfect in my opinion. I would much rather drive a car that has been refined than a new design that s going to take months or years to get right. When you buy the Losi your going to just spend more time driving and racing and less time fooling around with setup...bottom line ...IF AINT,DONT FIX IT.
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Losi had that same 3 belt design in the original XX-4 car from way back in I think the 90's, that has basically never changed... The car was Awesome then & its Awesome now , I always loved my AE rides to but when it comes to 4wh the xx-4 now 22-4 platform is Dialed
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Originally Posted by AJrollin
The spur is a pain to change however as long as your not running two classes such as 13.5 and mod in the same race night and having to change spurs its not that big of a deal, and if stripping is an issue, something is not set right as I have the same spur on mine for almost a year and still looks new and quiet.
Dont get me wrong . I love the buggy but... changing spurs to experiment with gearing ... which I enjoy is a b#tch.
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I agree but with the belts they need the sealed drivetrain
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Originally Posted by tsair

I feel like the belt drive system is just more responsive to throttle inputs with less slack and the two pad slipper system just seems to lay the power down so well. That's my opinion anyway, I'll probably do a heads-up video of the B64 vs. 22-4 2.0.
Nice. Post a link hwre when yiur done with the video.

I feel the same way about throttle responsiveness. I have a 2017 xb4 and the 22 4 2.0 doesnt have the sluggish feel. My xb4 feels heavier. I can't explain it too.

BTW... just DNS my main tonight because my drive train just seized on me in Q2... haven't opened it up yet. front wheels spins but rear wheels doesn't.
Can't repair it in time good thing I race 2 classes. So I just concentrated on the other class to complete my night. Would have been awesome if the car is easy to work on.... my xb4 is sooo easy....just saying.

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I agree about the three belt being more free. Since the distance between the pulleys is lesser with a three belt system, the belt tension doesn't need to be so high. The drive train on my SX-3 (3-belt) is much freer than on my K1 (2-belt).
Please, please, please TLR increase the size of the two primary drive pulleys! Those would be the "clicker" pulley and its corresponding pulley that sends the belt to the rear wheels. Efficiency would be gained, belt life/maintenance would improve, belt tension could be reduced, belt skipping would go away, and the best handling 4wd would be the best on the market; period.
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Static tension on a belt doesn't really mean much on a belt since drag doesn't appreciably increase under load (as it does with ring/pinion gears). It can have a slight drag brake effect at lower speeds, though. I checked out a friend's YZ4 and his belts were so tight the drivetrain felt jammed up. He was as fast as anyone in 13.5 class and wasn't cooking his motor.
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I would think with the car running the belts would actually loosen a little when they warm up...just a thought.
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I would think the opposite
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Frank, is there any reason TLR didn't include the hole in the chassis under the motor for the 22-4 2.0 as the optional chassis of the 22-4 1.0 . It does help to keep the motor cooler as I found myself.
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okay... just opened up the buggy .. .front belt snapped again ...this time it melted on the small gear near the clicker (which I don't use anymore). How do I prevent this form happening? Slipper nut is already set flush to the spur gear shaft.
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Mine's slightly looser than flush. Hold down the rear wheels with your feet and try turning the fronts with your hands. You'll get a feel for how tight it is before it slips. It shouldn't be crazy tight.
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Frank, is there any reason TLR didn't include the hole in the chassis under the motor for the 22-4 2.0 as the optional chassis of the 22-4 1.0 . It does help to keep the motor cooler as I found myself.
We received a lot of complaints from people regarding the hole and their fear of getting clay/dirt/mud inside their chassis. I know it wasn't an issue, but we try to listen to the what the majority of consumers ask for.

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okay... just opened up the buggy .. .front belt snapped again ...this time it melted on the small gear near the clicker (which I don't use anymore). How do I prevent this form happening? Slipper nut is already set flush to the spur gear shaft.
Flush is a rough reference point. You need to actually set the slipper once the car is fully assembled. Check out this video for the "how to" tips from Todd Hodge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR9_RfQwVTY
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I used that video to set mine haven't had any issues yet..
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