No worries. I figured I'd expand on the post just to help clarify the concept for anyone who was wandering through the thread.

It will be when you need to shave of 1/1000 of your lap time to be competitive....especially stock racing.

This is why people incorrectly believe that stock racing is expensive...

The nylon pinions are worth more than you think. it is a noticeable difference how smooth they are on power and seem to have just a tad more snap in acceleration for when you maybe dont hit the perfect line coming into a big jump. Stock racing is expensive to be competitive with the really fast guys but its all the little things that add up to making a fast car not one thing. Besides all these small things that make the car better usually make it easier to drive and that is what makes you a faster driver.

Funny. If you can't afford stock racing...go to another class ... or get another hobby.... geez.

The fun in this class is improving your car and tinkering... and of course driving.... winning is just a consolation....unless it's your job to win races.

Let people enjoy and spend money for their toy cars. It's better than gambling and drinking. LOL

What is the gain per lap from the nylon pinion ? not trying to be rude really asking

I can afford stock racing, and so can everybody else who participates in racing, because it's not expensive, relative to other classes. I wouldn't tell anyone not to tinker or bling out their car, I get that this is a big part of the fun for a lot of racers, but I would correct people who tell them that they have to in order to be competitive, because that's not true, and it drives away people who would otherwise come and race with us.

I don't really want to get involved in a "forum argument", mostly just putting my 0.02 in here as I tend to agree with you. And completely agree with you about it not "having" to be expensive. When I raced back in the early '90s I would run batteries that other racers were getting rid of - NiCd generation - and would take those old packs and make a 6-cell pack or two of the best cells left over from what other racers were gonna chunk. I was definitely racing on a budget!

Back when we ran 1/10 scale pan cars (on carpet) I used to race this idiot in stock (27turn) racing and he would buy my motor every race weekend... I mean every race weekend. Fact: I was a better driver than he was, and he just couldn't get it through his terrible driving head that I was out-driving him in the race. I was skipping my Wednesday college evening class to go practice at the track with a couple of the sponsored guys, who were running mod. One in particular would put a 15turn motor in my car and run laps with me - total blast. In doing this I got really good driving the car - especially when the slower motor was back in it on Saturday night. I bet he bought, at least, 15 motors from me @ $30. I would go buy another Trinity 27t motor and a set of slotted cut brushes and be ready for the next week.

I have put a ton of upgrades on my car... aluminum hubs, aluminum front bulkhead, etc, etc. I can afford it now, and I really enjoy that part of the hobby - but I don't feel that it will be the difference between me "losing" a race. Almost 100% of the time, it's goes down to how many mistakes I make... Case in point. This past Saturday, I had a qualifier that I didn't have to be marshaled 1 time, but neither did the guy who finished first. I finished that heat on the same lap about 3 seconds behind him. He's a great driver and had a really clean race, as did I. At one point I was right on him, I mean like white on rice. I made a move going into the turn before the double/ single jump and I cased the car and he got a little bit of a lead and we stayed status-quo the rest of the race. He has a TLR 22 4.0 with every thing imaginable under the sun on it, and I have a B6D (with apparently too thick of shock fluid in the rear) with a handful of upgrades (mostly because I think they are pretty) on it. He simply drove the race, and maybe worked the traffic, better than I did. I feel if you are shaving 0.001" second off your time, well, you're in a league above me anyway... btw, I had the fast lap for the night in 2wd stock Saturday night - but his 5 and 10 lap average was marginally better than mine.

I didn't put this on here to "start" anything either, simply to show that everyone's level of commitment is different. Back in the day, I would beat people that had WWAAAYYY more $$$ in their car than I could ever dream of having. I think a lot of it goes down to what you think will make you faster, if you think it will make you faster - run it. I know for sure that JConcepts fancy milled laydown motor plate makes no difference whatsoever in my lap times. . . but it sure is pretty.

Don't let me talk you out of it, sounds like it's working! :-D

^^ Too late!!!

j/k. That is part of the fun though, I think I enjoy tinkering with the cars as much, maybe more, than racing them. Heck, now that I don't have to race on that "budget" I mentioned before, I have built up cars with all kinds of crap on them and then sold them on to someone else and never ran them.

I will tell you though, after this day-long back and forth, I will be picking up a few of those nylon pinions. Just too curious now.

I need a decked out b64d on the cheap.

Sorry bud, gonna run this one. Just got the electronics in it this past weekend... waiting for the wheels/tires and chassis protector to show up - then I'll be looking at becoming a rolling chicane for the fast guys in 13.5 wheeler!!

Hi all, I'm new to the B6 (and carpet racing) and having a tuning question.

I'm using the Kody Numedahl Las Vegas setup except no servo plate. Prism's and either Wide Wedge or Wedge Squares. 17.5

Car is working great. Driving on carpet feels like I built a supercar!

I'm getting no traction rolls (unless i do something dumb with the brake) so I probably have room to be more aggressive with the setup.

I would love sharper initial turn-in...sometimes feel like it pushes until I can get on the power. Any thoughts on where I should tweak for this result or generally to improve performance until I start traction rolling?

Thanks a lot. Here are some car pix since we all love those.

They are the lightest. Did you know that they are actually spur gears for 1/24th scale slot cars? True story...

I assume you have the brass front bulkhead, most people have gone away from this setup for 17.5 or light mod cars. Look on petite rc for Cody Waynes SVCRC setup. Its geared around a car closer to 1520 or so without the steel plates. Quick fixes are going back to orange front springs or 2.5 caster inserts or +2 front hub height.. I would try the caster first. I prefer codys setup with the gearbox shims for carpet though and its not that far off the Vegas setup so its not a full teardown to try.