27LikesSchumacher's new K2 4wd buggy ..!
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11-23-2015, 06:56 AM
#91
Tech Master
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The kit pistons are U3770, 1.5mm 2 hole, rounded. I don't believe rounded are the same as tapered however, simply rounded edges. Tapered Pistons are colour coded, red, black etc.
Micholix, this info is available on the Schumacher website or petitrc K2 setups....
Micholix, this info is available on the Schumacher website or petitrc K2 setups....
11-23-2015, 08:25 AM
#92
Tech Addict
But, i've got the delivery note for my kit today, so i will see soon!
11-23-2015, 11:00 AM
#93
11-23-2015, 03:09 PM
#96
Was talking about the FAB but pistons as well. It cost far more to make moulded plastics than it does to machine them but not every machinist is good with plastics. And some manufacturers include machined pistons with the kit. Just saying.
I know from personal experience when I used to produce bolts for Paintball guns. My regular machinist made them to flawless perfection and they were silky smooth and slick, but once he was tied up with a military contract he couldn't veer away from for a couple months and I had to use someone else and his final product was vastly different. Nowhere near his finish.
As for the price of this kit, it's a 1/10 kit. And if you pay attention to pricing in general you'd realize that manufacturers list their kits a bit on the high side until popularity or being the fresh new toy feeling wains a bit and then the price is adjusted to what it could have and likely should have sold for from he beginning. The 22-4 is a prime example of this as is the 410, and many others. Of course newness and demand will dictate that a bit but to some degree. It shouldn't be this expensive. There are a good amount of quality 8th scale kits for about the same, some even less than this.
You make it seem like this is a bargain! which it isn't. It's just fresh and new.
Granted, I have been a huge Schumacher fan since I fist got into RC almost 30 years ago and am looking forward to getting a K2. Just wish that at that price it included all the upgrades. I don't think that's too much to ask for, especially not for $450+.
I know from personal experience when I used to produce bolts for Paintball guns. My regular machinist made them to flawless perfection and they were silky smooth and slick, but once he was tied up with a military contract he couldn't veer away from for a couple months and I had to use someone else and his final product was vastly different. Nowhere near his finish.
As for the price of this kit, it's a 1/10 kit. And if you pay attention to pricing in general you'd realize that manufacturers list their kits a bit on the high side until popularity or being the fresh new toy feeling wains a bit and then the price is adjusted to what it could have and likely should have sold for from he beginning. The 22-4 is a prime example of this as is the 410, and many others. Of course newness and demand will dictate that a bit but to some degree. It shouldn't be this expensive. There are a good amount of quality 8th scale kits for about the same, some even less than this.
You make it seem like this is a bargain! which it isn't. It's just fresh and new.
Granted, I have been a huge Schumacher fan since I fist got into RC almost 30 years ago and am looking forward to getting a K2. Just wish that at that price it included all the upgrades. I don't think that's too much to ask for, especially not for $450+.
11-23-2015, 03:24 PM
#97
Was talking about the FAB but pistons as well. It cost far more to make moulded plastics than it does to machine them but not every machinist is good with plastics. And some manufacturers include machined pistons with the kit. Just saying.
I know from personal experience when I used to produce bolts for Paintball guns. My regular machinist made them to flawless perfection and they were silky smooth and slick, but once he was tied up with a military contract he couldn't veer away from for a couple months and I had to use someone else and his final product was vastly different. Nowhere near his finish.
As for the price of this kit, it's a 1/10 kit. And if you pay attention to pricing in general you'd realize that manufacturers list their kits a bit on the high side until popularity or being the fresh new toy feeling wains a bit and then the price is adjusted to what it could have and likely should have sold for from he beginning. The 22-4 is a prime example of this as is the 410, and many others. Of course newness and demand will dictate that a bit but to some degree. It shouldn't be this expensive. There are a good amount of quality 8th scale kits for about the same, some even less than this.
You make it seem like this is a bargain! which it isn't. It's just fresh and new.
Granted, I have been a huge Schumacher fan since I fist got into RC almost 30 years ago and am looking forward to getting a K2. Just wish that at that price it included all the upgrades. I don't think that's too much to ask for, especially not for $450+.
I know from personal experience when I used to produce bolts for Paintball guns. My regular machinist made them to flawless perfection and they were silky smooth and slick, but once he was tied up with a military contract he couldn't veer away from for a couple months and I had to use someone else and his final product was vastly different. Nowhere near his finish.
As for the price of this kit, it's a 1/10 kit. And if you pay attention to pricing in general you'd realize that manufacturers list their kits a bit on the high side until popularity or being the fresh new toy feeling wains a bit and then the price is adjusted to what it could have and likely should have sold for from he beginning. The 22-4 is a prime example of this as is the 410, and many others. Of course newness and demand will dictate that a bit but to some degree. It shouldn't be this expensive. There are a good amount of quality 8th scale kits for about the same, some even less than this.
You make it seem like this is a bargain! which it isn't. It's just fresh and new.
Granted, I have been a huge Schumacher fan since I fist got into RC almost 30 years ago and am looking forward to getting a K2. Just wish that at that price it included all the upgrades. I don't think that's too much to ask for, especially not for $450+.
You have your opinions, I have mine. I'm not going to comment on other manufacturer's buggies in a Schumacher thread. For the cost I feel it is a fair deal if upgrading from a K1. Most if not all of my spares will work on the new ride and I for one am happy to see the pizza cutter 98T spur go away.
Just saying.
11-23-2015, 04:15 PM
#99
Hi guys,
I'm ordering mine now. Woohoo will run on clay/dirt in Australia 17.5t stock class.
Question which spur gear comes with the kit. What are the part numbers for spur gears. I can't see them in the manual I downloaded.
I have associated wheels will they fit?
Anyone have any tips for the build, required upgrades, must have spares. For racing on dirt/clay are there any tuning parts I'll need?
This is my 2nd buggy ever. I have a b5m for 2wd but am super excited to get a Schumacher. There is something about them that I can't explain the attraction to their cars.
A number of questions I know, but I like to be prepared for the season starting in the new year. Hopefully do some testing in December. Thanks in advance.
I'm ordering mine now. Woohoo will run on clay/dirt in Australia 17.5t stock class.
Question which spur gear comes with the kit. What are the part numbers for spur gears. I can't see them in the manual I downloaded.
I have associated wheels will they fit?
Anyone have any tips for the build, required upgrades, must have spares. For racing on dirt/clay are there any tuning parts I'll need?
This is my 2nd buggy ever. I have a b5m for 2wd but am super excited to get a Schumacher. There is something about them that I can't explain the attraction to their cars.
A number of questions I know, but I like to be prepared for the season starting in the new year. Hopefully do some testing in December. Thanks in advance.
11-23-2015, 04:41 PM
#100
Tech Regular
Hi guys,
I'm ordering mine now. Woohoo will run on clay/dirt in Australia 17.5t stock class.
Question which spur gear comes with the kit. What are the part numbers for spur gears. I can't see them in the manual I downloaded.
I have associated wheels will they fit?
Anyone have any tips for the build, required upgrades, must have spares. For racing on dirt/clay are there any tuning parts I'll need?
This is my 2nd buggy ever. I have a b5m for 2wd but am super excited to get a Schumacher. There is something about them that I can't explain the attraction to their cars.
A number of questions I know, but I like to be prepared for the season starting in the new year. Hopefully do some testing in December. Thanks in advance.
I'm ordering mine now. Woohoo will run on clay/dirt in Australia 17.5t stock class.
Question which spur gear comes with the kit. What are the part numbers for spur gears. I can't see them in the manual I downloaded.
I have associated wheels will they fit?
Anyone have any tips for the build, required upgrades, must have spares. For racing on dirt/clay are there any tuning parts I'll need?
This is my 2nd buggy ever. I have a b5m for 2wd but am super excited to get a Schumacher. There is something about them that I can't explain the attraction to their cars.
A number of questions I know, but I like to be prepared for the season starting in the new year. Hopefully do some testing in December. Thanks in advance.
11-23-2015, 05:22 PM
#102
Hi guys,
I'm ordering mine now. Woohoo will run on clay/dirt in Australia 17.5t stock class.
Question which spur gear comes with the kit. What are the part numbers for spur gears. I can't see them in the manual I downloaded.
I have associated wheels will they fit?
Anyone have any tips for the build, required upgrades, must have spares. For racing on dirt/clay are there any tuning parts I'll need?
This is my 2nd buggy ever. I have a b5m for 2wd but am super excited to get a Schumacher. There is something about them that I can't explain the attraction to their cars.
A number of questions I know, but I like to be prepared for the season starting in the new year. Hopefully do some testing in December. Thanks in advance.
I'm ordering mine now. Woohoo will run on clay/dirt in Australia 17.5t stock class.
Question which spur gear comes with the kit. What are the part numbers for spur gears. I can't see them in the manual I downloaded.
I have associated wheels will they fit?
Anyone have any tips for the build, required upgrades, must have spares. For racing on dirt/clay are there any tuning parts I'll need?
This is my 2nd buggy ever. I have a b5m for 2wd but am super excited to get a Schumacher. There is something about them that I can't explain the attraction to their cars.
A number of questions I know, but I like to be prepared for the season starting in the new year. Hopefully do some testing in December. Thanks in advance.
You can fit b4/b5 wheels to the rear and Losi 22-4 wheels on the front. You can also fit Associated b44 front wheels by fitting a b44 9mm hex.
I've been racing a k1 aero in stock 17.5 and one of the most critical things is the weight.
My k1 is right on min weight of 1600 grams and there are a few things you need to do to get the car this light.
First thing is run low profile short packs, then Ti screws, carbon fiber chassis, 14 gauge wires. I'm running Associated ti camber links as they are much lighter than stock, but they wont work with the new captured ball ends.
I'm also running small bore shocks from the original k1 as they are about 10 grams lighter.
Running on min weight is a huge advantage and I recommend it if you want to go fast.
Oh and I forgot to mention what else you need for racing on dirt. Get core rc springs, white and red for the rear and red and green for the front. 7.5 deg caster yokes to get more initial steering and a swaybar kit for the rear. Also, the stock pistons will be too firm for dirt, so I would drill them. (Its not cheap to be dialed!)
Last edited by DJ_KILROY; 11-23-2015 at 05:41 PM.
11-23-2015, 09:46 PM
#103
Thanks for your answer. Great response. What size bit for the Pistons if I kept the big bores. I'll try and lighten without changing the shocks. Probably move to mod for the following season, depending on how it goes.
The other thing is that the Spur/slipper gears are not listed anywhere? Can't find any?
Yes, running stock is not cheap. I'll accumulate the lighter parts as I go. Your list is great. I have a few ti screws around that will fit. So that's handy.
Thanks again.
The other thing is that the Spur/slipper gears are not listed anywhere? Can't find any?
Yes, running stock is not cheap. I'll accumulate the lighter parts as I go. Your list is great. I have a few ti screws around that will fit. So that's handy.
Thanks again.
11-23-2015, 10:13 PM
#104
Thanks for your answer. Great response. What size bit for the Pistons if I kept the big bores. I'll try and lighten without changing the shocks. Probably move to mod for the following season, depending on how it goes.
The other thing is that the Spur/slipper gears are not listed anywhere? Can't find any?
Yes, running stock is not cheap. I'll accumulate the lighter parts as I go. Your list is great. I have a few ti screws around that will fit. So that's handy.
Thanks again.
The other thing is that the Spur/slipper gears are not listed anywhere? Can't find any?
Yes, running stock is not cheap. I'll accumulate the lighter parts as I go. Your list is great. I have a few ti screws around that will fit. So that's handy.
Thanks again.
I would run the old 2 pad slipper for stock to keep the rotational mass down.. Schumacher make a 71 tooth spur which should work.
Someone said earlier in the thread that the k2 comes with 2 hole pistons. I would drill them out to 1.7/1.8 for dirt. Schumacher shocks are bigger than most others (13mm) so you need bigger holes for them to get the right feel for dirt.
11-24-2015, 01:13 AM
#105
Tech Apprentice
Shorty in line – maximum agility, less stability, good for technical tracks.
Shorty transverse rear – maximum rear grip and stability
Shorty transverse front – maximum steering, good stability
Saddle – safe handling, more weight.