Carranza76, you and I but heads quite a bit, but I gotta say..I agree

Unless your name is Vettel...

AVC should be MANDATORY for every newbie who buys a 4x4 Short Bus and wants to put it on a track.


*Edit* actually a throttle stop would be better!

what i would like to see is real world AVC vs none lap times for average driver. Cause in the end this may be irrelevant for most ppl.

I tried to tell you guys just like skipgear said. Its awesome learning aid for a new driver to learn the ropes but they will quickly learn they are faster without it. It wont help a decent driver go faster so i say let the new guys use it and the rest of us just go about our mary way.

This!

Agree with the first part and sort of with the second part.

As we don't sit in the car perhaps affordable built in gyro assistance is a step forward.

Assuming you will still need to drive the car in the very least you will need to find the best line but AVC may stop the unfortunate spin caused by a touch with another car bump or combination of both wrecking your race. This has happened to all of us at some stage even the best of the best.

Perhaps with AVC the car would step out sideways a touch but not spin and everyone gets to keep on racing.

The problem with embracing the technology, is that it will only expedite development on better/faster products. In 1:1 racing, it's certainly been shown that electronic aids can outperform even the best driver. While, yes, I fully agree the current AVC and others probably hurt any decent driver, who knows where the systems will be in a generation or two. Giving them the green light essentially, means AVCv2 or whatever is just around the bend.

Certainly a possibility and it should be considered.

Opening the flood gates isn't the best approach but at the same time rejecting new technology with out even testing it is equally as bad.

I'm not a fan of ABS, AVC, or any other electronic stability in racing. I enjoy racing offroad so much because of the limited traction and changing conditions. Lets keep it a drivers sport.

I tried it a few days ago on a Losi 8E 3.0 buggy that belonged to our LHS owner.

Maybe with some more track time, I mighta, sorta, kinda, woulda but in the end, I just disliked it. Our track is a bit technical and corners are pretty sharp and AVC just made me run wide all the time. There is no running on the inside to pass someone with a RC equipped with AVC. I am far from a pro but I think if you want to go fast, AVC will not help you. It will assist you around the track at a decent pace and help correct input errors that you might do on occasion, but as far as running quick lap times, its not gonna happen.

Hopefully will try it without it this weekend, the buggy is pretty sweet with the Tekin system he just built. But in order to remove AVC, I think he said he has to re-bind the Tx after disabling it....really? I guess I should look into it more, I did buy my little guy a DX4C for the upcoming carpet racing season that has it as well.

I agree with ^^

For those who tested AVC, did you test it with it set to it's maximum intervention level? Did you try adjusting down the strength of the AVC?

AVC at 100% might interfere with your driving. AVC at 10% might give you a small boost without being in the way.

If spektrum sells enough AVC units, other manufacturers will come out with their own version as well. We all know Traxxas is the biggest player in the industry, and the kind of people who buy gyros and AVCs are the kind of people who buy Traxxas cars. I really don't think it will be long before every newb that shows up to the track with a slash will have AVC of some form in his car. No sane shop owner is going to turn away business, so these guys are going to end up racing. I think we'll be facing this question in a big way before too long.

With that said, it's only cheating because it's against the current rules. That doesn't make it right or wrong in the grand scheme of things. If it gets more people in the hobby, I'm all for it. If we loose a few miserable old guys because it's not real racing anymore, doesn't bother me. As long as I'm having fun and the hobby is growing, I don't see a problem.

One thing is for sure, though. The best way to keep the hobby from growing is turning tracks into sugared up tire eating monsters. I'll go back to running RTR slashes before I spend $50 a weekend in tires. If AVC can keep us from going much further in that direction, I'm all for it.

Keep in mind, this is not a new development. GM racing had an ESC 20 years ago with similar features and all the same discussion was had back then. It's a nice toy to play with but it mainly helps in onroad, not so much in offroad. I have a couple planes with Horizon's AS3X in them which is the same tech for the air guys. It makes the plane fly bigger and smoother. It won't fix a bad flying plane it just makes small corrections from outside forces like wind gusts.

For serious racing classes, keep it illegal, if a system that works well enough to create an advantage eventually makes it to market, then that will just add to the cost of racing. One more expensive item you will need to have in your car to be competitive. The only reason the track is making it optional in the Mini Truggy class is because the truck comes equipped with it already.

Good thoughts people. Although, those that have told me, "...if you haven't tried it, you have no right to speak about it"; I think 30+ years of RC experience easily qualifies me to be able to talk about something that can have a major effect on our beloved hobby. I don't need to try cigarettes to know if I like them or not.....I can smell them from across the room.

I also believe we are seeing the beginnings of something that will become even more sophisticated. Some people laugh at me for thinking that cars will drive themselves in the near future. To those I say this; it has only taken 10 years to go from desktop, to laptop, and now smartphones. Yeah....it's coming.....like it or not...