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Old 08-04-2009, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mdrnizd
Does anyone know where I can find a part number for the B4 1/2 degree rear hubs the team was running at CRCRC? Also, for the people running the new 4th shocking mounting hole, are you still cutting 1 & 1/2 coils off the black springs. Someone told me they were doing that.
As far as I know associated doesnt make anything but the 0 degre hubs. I run at SRS and the fast guys are running 1 degree hubs from Racers edge. I have not tried them yet but my next ground up rebuild will include these on my T4
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Originally Posted by vr6cj
So what size Lipo's are your guys running these days? Just getting back into off-road. I use my SMC 5200 40c's in on-road but thought it might be overkill in stock. lol. ANy suggestions to keep the dollar down but have the unff to kick but still.

I was thinking of getting some SMC 4500mah 28C SportMAX 7.4V Lipo's cause there only $65 ea online.

Will a 3200mah 40c last 6 min heats?
3200 is plenty, I use 1200mah with a 13.5 in my t4 in a 7 min. main.
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by rcman1993
3200 is plenty, I use 1200mah with a 13.5 in my t4 in a 7 min. main.
True, you may only use 1200 with a 13.5 but if you are running stock or even super stock you will want a good battery, because it means the most there. You will want every bit of batt you can get.

so, vr6cj, i would use your on road batts if you are running stock. They will hold better voltage than the 3200's
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Originally Posted by CClay1282
True, you may only use 1200 with a 13.5 but if you are running stock or even super stock you will want a good battery, because it means the most there. You will want every bit of batt you can get.

so, vr6cj, i would use your on road batts if you are running stock. They will hold better voltage than the 3200's
The 3200 40c is great, it has enough punch, and it will still hold a high voltage because it is only a 6 min. main, when it is 8 min mains, then uses a higher capacity to keep a higher voltage.
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Originally Posted by vr6cj
So what size Lipo's are your guys running these days? Just getting back into off-road. I use my SMC 5200 40c's in on-road but thought it might be overkill in stock. lol. ANy suggestions to keep the dollar down but have the unff to kick but still.

I was thinking of getting some SMC 4500mah 28C SportMAX 7.4V Lipo's cause there only $65 ea online.

Will a 3200mah 40c last 6 min heats?
The lower (24 and 28) C packs can actually peform better in stock classes than some of the 40C packs. It has to do with the heat that is generated in the pack during a run. The higher C packs can handle the lower loads of Spec motors (17.5, 13.5) without breaking a sweat. The lower C packs actually break a sweat running the Spec motors and start to generate some heat in the pack. Heat in LiPO's has been proven to lower IR and increase voltage. Higher capacity and lower C rate are a good combo for stock racing. SMC SportMax packs are a good choice.

Some big on-road races have been won by 24C Sport packs for this very reason. So don't hesitate to run the lower C packs in Spec racing. You'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Save the more expensive packs for your mod motor classes, because that is where they really shine.

Just food for thought.
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Old 08-04-2009, 11:57 AM
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^^ Oh no. Here we go. Someone who actually knows what he's talking about.
Can you please leave these threads for people to keep pounding the "biggest, most expensive, newest, is best" routine. You know that's all most of the posts are good for.
I hope you haven't ACTUALLY tried any of this or compared results, that would go against most of what I read here
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Old 08-04-2009, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ShaunMac
The lower (24 and 28) C packs can actually peform better in stock classes than some of the 40C packs. It has to do with the heat that is generated in the pack during a run. The higher C packs can handle the lower loads of Spec motors (17.5, 13.5) without breaking a sweat. The lower C packs actually break a sweat running the Spec motors and start to generate some heat in the pack. Heat in LiPO's has been proven to lower IR and increase voltage. Higher capacity and lower C rate are a good combo for stock racing. SMC SportMax packs are a good choice.

Some big on-road races have been won by 24C Sport packs for this very reason. So don't hesitate to run the lower C packs in Spec racing. You'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Save the more expensive packs for your mod motor classes, because that is where they really shine.

Just food for thought.
Thanks for all the replys. So I think I'll go with my first thought and get me some those higher mah sportpacks. BTW: I was thinking that the motors might generate to much heat with the high amp draw of the 40c's and I'm still running brushed in my T4. Still got alot brushed so why not use them.
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Originally Posted by vr6cj
Thanks for all the replys. So I think I'll go with my first thought and get me some those higher mah sportpacks. BTW: I was thinking that the motors might generate to much heat with the high amp draw of the 40c's and I'm still running brushed in my T4. Still got alot brushed so why not use them.
40C packs work fine and won't cause any motor heat issues. Like always, check your motor temps after each run. Sometimes you will find that after the 2nd and 3rd runs of the day that your pack will start to wake up a bit. If you are close on high temp at the end of a run, this increased power may send you into overly high temps and you may need to drop a tooth to compensate.

We still have some racers here running brushed motors with LiPO.
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Im not trying to push the most expensive pack for him, im just saying what will work. I didn't know whether he was in spec or mod, i was just giving my 2 cents. All these haters up in here.
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Originally Posted by vr6cj
I was thinking that the motors might generate to much heat with the high amp draw of the 40c's and I'm still running brushed in my T4. Still got alot brushed so why not use them.
It's not the batteries that create high amp draw, it's the motors. A 40c rating is how much amp draw a pack can handle, not how much amp draw it creates.
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Originally Posted by CClay1282
True, you may only use 1200 with a 13.5 but if you are running stock or even super stock you will want a good battery, because it means the most there. You will want every bit of batt you can get.

so, vr6cj, i would use your on road batts if you are running stock. They will hold better voltage than the 3200's
i have 3250 mah and 500 mah batterys both 20c and really cant tell the diffrence beside the bigger one runs a little longer b4 cutoff in my touring car i use roughly 1900 too 2200 mah 6 minute race
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Originally Posted by SpraydbySprague
It's not the batteries that create high amp draw, it's the motors. A 40c rating is how much amp draw a pack can handle, not how much amp draw it creates.
Well yeah...cant a brushed motor pull up to 50 amps? So wouldn't it want to pull more of the 40c pack vs. the 28c pack thus generating more speed and heat? So still not clear on that. Or is it just mods that pulol tha tmuch?
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Originally Posted by vr6cj
Well yeah...cant a brushed motor pull up to 50 amps? So wouldn't it want to pull more of the 40c pack vs. the 28c pack thus generating more speed and heat? So still not clear on that. Or is it just mods that pulol tha tmuch?
The amount of amps a motor tries to draw is a result of the number of turns(mod motors draw more than stock), the gearing(a taller pinion will place a greater load on the motor hence more amps), and the overall condition of the vehicle(binding or drag in the drive train).
The motor doesn't know the difference between a 40c pack vs a 28c pack. We as drivers see the difference.
The higher C rating packs are able to keep up with the higher amp loads of the modified motors. This will give you more bottom end punch and more sustained speed throughout the run time of the pack.
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Old 08-05-2009, 06:34 AM
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I got a setup that required on the front shock to run 6 limiters inside (white plastic washers) but didnt have any so I just used what I had and that came out to .20 is that about what six associated limiters would be? Or is that too much?
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Old 08-05-2009, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubonic-X
I got a setup that required on the front shock to run 6 limiters inside (white plastic washers) but didnt have any so I just used what I had and that came out to .20 is that about what six associated limiters would be? Or is that too much?
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The plastic washers are .030, so six would be .180 - .200 is pretty close.

But 6 washers is insane on the 0.71 shafts, really restricted travel - are you sure the setup wasn't for the .80 shafts from a B44?
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