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Redbeard 02-09-2012 02:22 AM


Originally Posted by MantisWorx (Post 10300547)
you are talking about the dif case mod right? well i ordered bearings from avid but the ones i got were open cage so i just swapped them with the idler gear bearings since they are the same size. it wa a royal pain for me to machine so i only did the rear.

I completed the same mod to the diff cases and I found it easier to accomplish after creating a "grind stop" out of a couple of washers (1.5mm total thickness). This helped to provide some consistency to process. Mounted to my Dremel Drill press, I used a thin cutoff wheel to get it roughly where I needed it and then sanded it down with a fine sanding wheel. As Mantis suggested, I used the original idler bearings from the kit and replaced them with the caged ones I had ordered from Avid. Nothing else I've done to help improve the dif wobble situation has worked nearly as well.

It is a bit of a PIA but it's well worth the trouble. One thing to keep in mind though is that if you are using an old set of outdrives the amount you may need to shim afterward will vary. The used ones will likely need more shims due to the malformation of the hole the pin goes into when you mount the outdrive back in the diff.

I also added an additional paper seal when I put it back together and there has been no leaking and very little wobble. :)

Slotmachine 02-09-2012 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by vladconnery (Post 10300566)
What's this crazy clicking sound

Yes I know about the clicker on the front of the car and it will click occasionally under heavy breaking. I do have it locked down. Kinda sounds like it's coming from the rear of the car.

I serviced my diffs the other day and every since then. When I accelerate my car makes this clicking sound under heavy acceleration. Also when I am coming out of right hand turns. When I get on the gas the car pulls to the right. i mean really pulls or rather the rear end comes around. Hower turning to the left no problems. If this was Nascar it would be the ticket. These problems started after I serviced my diffs

Car set up:
Tekin Rx8 Tekin 4.5 12t pinion
20000 front diff 5000 rear diff
Ride height 25 front and Back with body on
Slipper basket installed
Tires Slicks

The diff gears need replacing, the teeth are wearing down. You might get away with shimming them for a while but think about buying some new gears. If you do some looking around you can get a whole diff for $21.00 on e/bay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/330628606762...84.m1423.l2649

roylo 02-09-2012 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by Slotmachine (Post 10301307)
The diff gears need replacing, the teeth are wearing down. You might get away with shimming them for a while but think about buying some new gears. If you do some looking around you can get a whole diff for $21.00 on e/bay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/330628606762...84.m1423.l2649

Is the cause worn diff gears or wobbly outdrives causing the gears to not mesh properly?

MantisWorx 02-09-2012 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by heavyjeffd (Post 10300792)
I think the aerodynamic effect of the body is having a greater effect due to the lighter weight than most of us are chalking up.

Yes the truck is lighter so it's more nimble, but the parachute of a body also has more lift.

So, either we have to add more weight or remove more body maybe. Maybe I'll hack up and old practice body and do some testing, see how it turns out.

This is the body i ran at the RCP finals, didnt make much of a difference. how much did your Losi weigh? I cant be too far from it at 6lbs9oz
right?
http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/x...Cproroller.jpg

heavyjeffd 02-09-2012 06:06 AM

I honestly don't know what it weighed, I did not weigh it and it's in pieces now being cleaned up to sell.

According to the Googles, the SCTE is 6.75lbs as a roller (no electronics or wheels).

So that's quite a bit heavier, I'd guess it's upwards of 8lbs fully loaded.

MantisWorx 02-09-2012 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by heavyjeffd (Post 10301571)
I honestly don't know what it weighed, I did not weigh it and it's in pieces now being cleaned up to sell.

According to the Googles, the SCTE is 6.75lbs as a roller (no electronics or wheels).

So that's quite a bit heavier, I'd guess it's upwards of 8lbs fully loaded.

WOW!!! i had no idea they were that heavy, basically the same as an E buggy, well no wonder they jump as they do. Maybe i need to machine some lead today:lol:

heavyjeffd 02-09-2012 06:14 AM

Yep.

I knew it was a lot heavier, it weighed more as a roller than my SC10 did complete. I could tell just moving one from the bench to the floor when I was swapping electronics.

I'm going to add quite a bit of weight to the center of the chassis after I corner balance it. I may really try and get it over 7lbs. We shall see. :)

Remember though, this is for the bigger outdoor stuff, I don't get to race much on small/tight 1/10th indoor clay (although I wish I did).


Product Specifications

Type:4WD Short Course Rolling Chassis
Scale:1/10
Length:21.34 in (524mm)
Width:11.65 in (295.8mm)
Wheelbase:13.15 in (334mm)
Weight:6.75 lb (3.06 kg)
Tire Type:Eclipse SCT
Kit/RTR:Rolling Chassis
Shock Type:Aluminum, Coil-over, oil-filled
Body:Clear Polycarbonate SCT
From: http://losi.com/Products/Features.aspx?ProdID=LOSB0127

vladconnery 02-09-2012 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by Slotmachine (Post 10301307)
The diff gears need replacing, the teeth are wearing down. You might get away with shimming them for a while but think about buying some new gears. If you do some looking around you can get a whole diff for $21.00 on e/bay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/330628606762...84.m1423.l2649

Thanks Slots It was so frustrating I was about to sell it! I will replace the entire diff and gears and see if that solves if so I'm keeping it! :nod:

MantisWorx 02-09-2012 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by heavyjeffd (Post 10301595)
Yep.

I knew it was a lot heavier, it weighed more as a roller than my SC10 did complete. I could tell just moving one from the bench to the floor when I was swapping electronics.

I'm going to add quite a bit of weight to the center of the chassis after I corner balance it. I may really try and get it over 7lbs. We shall see. :)

Remember though, this is for the bigger outdoor stuff, I don't get to race much on small/tight 1/10th indoor clay (although I wish I did).



From: http://losi.com/Products/Features.aspx?ProdID=LOSB0127

What you raced on last week is what i race on every week, so i have to figure out something. All of the tracks around here are pretty much the same except Mikes is smoother .

heavyjeffd 02-09-2012 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by MantisWorx (Post 10301634)
What you raced on last week is what i race on every week, so i have to figure out something. All of the tracks around here are pretty much the same except Mikes is smoother .

Right. Well you know I contend in both RCPro series, so you know all I'm racing on is big tracks outside of the Shortcourse Showdown.

I'm gonna try and figure out some sort of a weight kit I can add or remove.

bohdi 02-09-2012 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by heavyjeffd (Post 10301698)
Right. Well you know I contend in both RCPro series, so you know all I'm racing on is big tracks outside of the Shortcourse Showdown.

I'm gonna try and figure out some sort of a weight kit I can add or remove.

yeah...zip tie some weights to the f/r shock towers and pull it when we run on baby tracks :lol:;)

MarqueeRc 02-09-2012 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by MantisWorx (Post 10301575)
WOW!!! i had no idea they were that heavy, basically the same as an E buggy, well no wonder they jump as they do. Maybe i need to machine some lead today:lol:

Mantis, do you think its possible to assume that the elimination of chassis flex has compunded the bad flyability and pitch control displayed in the air on extreme jumps for this truck?

MantisWorx 02-09-2012 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by MarqueeRc (Post 10301870)
Mantis, do you think its possible to assume that the elimination of chassis flex has compunded the bad flyability and pitch control displayed in the air on extreme jumps for this truck?

Its not just my truck and its not just my setup. Flex is not going to effect anything once you are in the air. Only thing moving once airborn besides the truck as a whole, is the drivetrain.

heavyjeffd 02-09-2012 09:04 AM

Flex isn't a bad thing. Too stiff a truck will hammer and bounce all over the place.

I don't think any of the jumping problems with the SC10 are chassis-related really.

I'm starting to think it's simply inertia (weight) vs. parachute effect (lift).

Makes sense with all the comments about how it drives without the body.

The SCTE feels pretty close to the same with or without the body except in really strong winds.

MarqueeRc 02-09-2012 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by MantisWorx (Post 10302260)
Its not just my truck and its not just my setup. Flex is not going to effect anything once you are in the air. Only thing moving once airborn besides the truck as a whole, is the drivetrain.

I understand, and never said it was just your truck or setup, I read the posts about a few of our trucks that couldn't make that big jump consistently. When I said "this truck" I was reffering to all sc10 4x4's, as in our truck and manufacturer, not just yours Mantis.:cool:

Regardless, don't want to beat a dead horse as it sounds like you are fed up on this subject. Don't blame you though, as your initial post on that experience opened pandoras box. Be easy!


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