Jmuck69

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I just purchased a Team Orion Vortex VDS-1007. Has anyone used these or had experience with them?

TTech

Preach!

I'm with you.

They use "titanium", because it makes for good marketing.
Sure, racers use $200 servo's, because they don't have to pay that much for them cause companies want racers to use their products to advertise them.
I'm sure a $200 servo doesn't suck, but the real question is; is it 4 times better than a $50 servo?

mike881

The answer is NO, it is not 4 times better. But I have NEVER seen a $100+ servo strip, break, etc so yes spending 2-4x the amount for the "piece of mind" is worth it IMO


(knock on wood)

BigBellyCat

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My Savox can do that to my Vector. Extremely strong 1268MG servo, doesnt have that annoying buzzing noise either. Money well spent

BigBellyCat

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Titanium is a lighter metal and can be 'replaced' if ever.When your skills develop through practice, you can sense the advantage of using faster servos. I'd have to disagree with using 'titanium' as a marketing gimick. Titanium aftermarket parts either in full scale or minature scale almost always is an advantage in most applications.
I dont buy my RC equipment just because it has a 'turbo' sticker or it comes with the most colorful box. Thats like saying sticking a 'GTR' sticker on your full sized car will give you an extra 50HP.

Dont get me wrong, I do have $30 analog servos that perform very well within low stress, normal driving+bashing sessions at the beach or in the rivers and they are easy to waterproof. I wont get a sleepless night if one gets damaged.

t0p_sh0tta

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I see a lot of the Euro guys are running Savox servos. Do we have a distributor/support network in the U.S.?

TTech

Hmmm....

So, basically, for you, it's worth spending 4x the amount just for "peace of mind", because you say that the actual $200 servo itself is not 4x better.
Then, it's a psychological thing for you, it seems.

For me, I am at peace and rest easier knowing I have good products AND extra money in me pocket.

TTech

We're talking about servo's and their parts, materials, and cost.
I'm not buying the weight argument in a servo. In the first place the gears in a servo are very small, so much so that weight is hardly a consideration.

I don't disagree on the speed of the servo advantage, even though you imply my skills may not be up to yours . However, you don't know that, so you're just guessing.

The use of titanium outside the world of RC, or in RC areas other than in a servo, hasn't been part of this discussion. I'm well aware of the use of titanium in products where it has been beneficial. But, this discussion is about servo's.

Marketing/advertising goes on in every product sold. It has to be that way, nothing really wrong with it. If the use of titanium gears is truly an innovation and game changer, then I would seek those servo's out.
You feel that the use of titanium in servo's is not just marketing.
That's cool. You're certainly entitled to your view, and you might be right.
I'm just stating what I think about it. To me, the use of titanium addresses a question that no one asked.

What is there about standard metal gear servo's, that titanium addresses?
Is there really a need for titanium gears in servo's?

mike881

Yes I will agree with you, it is a mental thing. I buy extra a arms and hub carriers for all of my cars, again for "piece of mind" since my shops do not carry them for my 1/8 vehicles.

Buying a faster servo has helped my lap times tremendously, and I do not break as many parts as I used to because I drive better. I did not spend $200 and I do not recommend $200 servos. I recommend a $99 Hitec 7955.

BigBellyCat

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Been a Futaba user all my life, I just find that there are lotsa choices of servos out there to suit the applications. IMHO, the weight advantage of titanium gears in these servos will be very minimal, so if it gives me a 'psychological' advantage that I'm using the best, lightest parts...then so be it.

At my LHS we have Sanwa/Airtronics, Hitec, Futaba, KO servos that suit all kinds of budgets and all kinds of applications. I've swapped out the 'standard' racing servos in my 1/8 cars for the new batch of Savox servos and I am glad to say that it was a good investment. I went back to check on the Savox website to see what they say about using titanium as a material in their servos gears. I can see where they are standing, and I wont risk my races being ruined because of servo failure.

The issue of standard alloy/steel gears VS titanium gears is very intriguing for me. Hope there are brilliant minds to bring up some points in the pros/cons of them used in servos

BigBellyCat

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The servos comes with all mounting hardware including rubber grommets and the usual stuff. I was pleasantly suprised to see a decal sheet and the servo's box can double as a small parts container that snaps shut

Redneck13x

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http://www.hobbypartz.com/servo-mg946r.html

Dave H

My Son has used a 1007 in a 1/10 buggy for about 6 months. Seems fine so far with good speed. The servo feedback circuit is tuned a little hotter than I would prefer, it seems a little jittery on the bench, not as smooth as our other servos. But on track it seems to work well and has stayed slop free. To be fair one of our local worlds qualifier drivers thinks it’s a little low on torque, didn’t think it was always holding in the corners, he uses the 1409 instead.

Thanks. The description is rather interesting, but I don’t know how you beat that price.

jmackani

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Like others are saying, how much of these specs are just marketing? I bet every manufacture has a different method of measuring those transit speeds to make one look better than the other. How many people on here actually have the tools to maybe even test or validate those specs/claims? The fishing line industry had the same problem with lbs/test strength claims also. I have hitec's also, mainly 7955's and I have had my share of problems with them even with the end points set correctly. I also have a few of the JR9100s, and I have not had issues yet with those. I think the other reason some people stick to hi-tec is their warranty is pretty good.

Dave H

Actually I would be one of the guys with access to the tools to do the testing, just never found/made the time.

On a more practical level, if one is involved in racing and makes a few friends it’s not that hard to get a chance to see and try similar or the same cars with different servos. Yes setup differences and such can blur the comparisons some, but one can still develop a feel for their individual needs/tolerances I think.

I agree the specs do vary some from brand to brand, but I haven’t seen wildly misleading differences.

Everyone needs to make their own decisions, but for us there is no question that fast servos improve our performance. My Son because he can take advantage of it, me because I need all the help I can get!

I see the servo as very important, I think there is a very good reason why they plug into channel #1.

For what it’s worth, my fav 1/10 scale servo is the Futaba BLS451. Good speed, maybe even a little better than the rating, plenty of torque, and very smooth, not jittery.