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Old 05-04-2010, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JPKinsella
The lrp mortors are 2 pole mortors vs 4 pole like the tekin and MMM are so the kv scale is different. From what I understand the lrp 2800 is equal to a Tekin 2050. But that is what I was told buy a lrp rep. As far as batts I'm runnin thunder power 5000 4s 40c packs
That info isn't quite correct as we understand it. 2800kv is still 2800kv, so it's turning way fast. To compound the problem, the 2 pole motors have less torque to begin with. So you have a weaker motor trying to go faster. No disrespect to LRP, but we've seen more of those motors burn up than any other in the last few months. Their ESC on the other hand is pretty awesome for how small it is. I heard they are working on some new 4 pole motors that are supposed to be much better but don't quote us on that.

If you are going to run that motor, we suggest dropping your voltage to 3s and gearing it like a nitro (13/48 or 14/48). Best thing to do would be to pick up a Tekin or Castle motor (1800-2200kv). Or better yet a Tekno Lektron 2200 . Those are still the best choices at this time.
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Originally Posted by teeforb
Tekno, what's the difference between the 1415 motors vs the 1515 motors from Neu? Will the 1415 1700kv motors work in Truggy? Break down the details for me.. Thanks!

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Same rotor, different stack. The stack is smaller diameter so it doesn't produce the same torque/power, but they do spin at the same kv. They work great and they come with a sealed can and flexible wires out the back (no shorting). I'm running a 1409/1Y in my Slash 4x4 and it runs great. If you want the ultimate, go with the 1515. If you can hang with a slight bit less torque and a tad more heat, the 1415 should be good.

Personally, for truggy, I'd go 1515. I'd even run a 1512 over the 1415.
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Same rotor, different stack. The stack is smaller diameter so it doesn't produce the same torque/power, but they do spin at the same kv. They work great and they come with a sealed can and flexible wires out the back (no shorting). I'm running a 1409/1Y in my Slash 4x4 and it runs great. If you want the ultimate, go with the 1515. If you can hang with a slight bit less torque and a tad more heat, the 1415 should be good.

Personally, for truggy, I'd go 1515. I'd even run a 1512 over the 1415.
I see, thanks for the info.. I was speaking to one rctech member that was using this same 1415 2.5d in his mbx6t and he likes it better than the tekin t8. He says it's more snappier in the low end range...

well, tekin is giving me a new rotor. so my t8 should be fixed once the rotor comes in...

also, do tekin sell rotors separately like they do with their smaller motors?

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i have a jammin 41114 x2e conversion coming.i need to know what pinions to buy for this.do i need long shank pinions?.will novak 6.5 pro hv motor fit.tecno has 2 kits for different motors.this is the jammin conversion.would like to buy 3 pinions eg 11t 12t 13t or 14t 15t 16t
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For those of you running Tekno converted buggies, what weights are you guys seeing in full race trim with tires, batteries, and a body mounted and all? My MBX6 is weighing in at 8lbs 6oz, track ready. I think that's on the heavy side as I'm seeing a lot of electric buggies under the 8lb mark. Anyway, just curious.
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Originally Posted by kelsco99
i have a jammin 41114 x2e conversion coming.i need to know what pinions to buy for this.do i need long shank pinions?.will novak 6.5 pro hv motor fit.tecno has 2 kits for different motors.this is the jammin conversion.would like to buy 3 pinions eg 11t 12t 13t or 14t 15t 16t
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You will need some long shank pinions for the Jammin' X2e kit. The kit comes with a 42mm mount. You'll need the 36mm mount for the Novak. You may consider getting a new motor (42mm Castle or Tekin). You can also use the Novak in the 42mm mount, just add some support to the back so it isn't hanging in the air. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by unsp0ken
For those of you running Tekno converted buggies, what weights are you guys seeing in full race trim with tires, batteries, and a body mounted and all? My MBX6 is weighing in at 8lbs 6oz, track ready. I think that's on the heavy side as I'm seeing a lot of electric buggies under the 8lb mark. Anyway, just curious.
8.5 pounds with a 5S 5Kmah Tekno D8/Ve8 w/mech brake
8.25 pounds as a Ve8 4S 5.1Kmah w/mech brake

Tekno conversion is the same weight as the plastic chassis Ve8 +/- an ounce.
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Originally Posted by unsp0ken
For those of you running Tekno converted buggies, what weights are you guys seeing in full race trim with tires, batteries, and a body mounted and all? My MBX6 is weighing in at 8lbs 6oz, track ready. I think that's on the heavy side as I'm seeing a lot of electric buggies under the 8lb mark. Anyway, just curious.
My Losi 8ight Tekno converted weighs in at 8lb 3-4oz. This is with a 4S/5000mah Turnigy battery and a seperate 850mah/2S reciever pack.
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You will need some long shank pinions for the Jammin' X2e kit. The kit comes with a 42mm mount. You'll need the 36mm mount for the Novak. You may consider getting a new motor (42mm Castle or Tekin). You can also use the Novak in the 42mm mount, just add some support to the back so it isn't hanging in the air. Thanks.
Thanks! That's great to get some help with this.

What size pinions would you reccomend me buying in long shank? Is 11 too small? Is 15 too big for the gear ratio in this vehicle?
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Originally Posted by unsp0ken
For those of you running Tekno converted buggies, what weights are you guys seeing in full race trim with tires, batteries, and a body mounted and all? My MBX6 is weighing in at 8lbs 6oz, track ready. I think that's on the heavy side as I'm seeing a lot of electric buggies under the 8lb mark. Anyway, just curious.
That's about right. A lot depends on motor and battery. I have my Losi set up @ 7.5-7.6 lbs. Running a 1509 and a 4s/4500mah battery, motor brakes and Traktion Drive. Perfect for 10 minutes. My normal setup is ~8.25 lbs with full mech brakes, Castle 2200, and a 4s/5000.

You should be able to get the Mugen within 2-4oz of that weight with a similar setup. However, if you're running a bigger Castle or Tekin motor and a big battery, or full mechanical brakes, it's going to be heavier. I think I like my car a little heavier actually. It's not so twitchy. I think a pro driver would be faster with a lighter car, but if your reaction time isn't at a pro level, the heavier setup will feel more 'planted'.
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Originally Posted by kelsco99
Thanks! That's great to get some help with this.

What size pinions would you reccomend me buying in long shank? Is 11 too small? Is 15 too big for the gear ratio in this vehicle?
Depends on your motor and voltage. But keep in mind the X2 uses truggy gear ratios in front and rear. I think the stock gearing is 17/46 or 17/48 (44?). Anyway, if you are running 4s and a motor with 1900-2200kv, pick up a 16, 17, or 18 depending on your track size.
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Originally Posted by AreCee
8.5 pounds with a 5S 5Kmah Tekno D8/Ve8 w/mech brake
8.25 pounds as a Ve8 4S 5.1Kmah w/mech brake

Tekno conversion is the same weight as the plastic chassis Ve8 +/- an ounce.
Wow, I would've thought those plastic chassis would've weighed quite a bit less.
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Originally Posted by teknorc
That's about right. A lot depends on motor and battery. I have my Losi set up @ 7.5-7.6 lbs. Running a 1509 and a 4s/4500mah battery, motor brakes and Traktion Drive. Perfect for 10 minutes. My normal setup is ~8.25 lbs with full mech brakes, Castle 2200, and a 4s/5000.

You should be able to get the Mugen within 2-4oz of that weight with a similar setup. However, if you're running a bigger Castle or Tekin motor and a big battery, or full mechanical brakes, it's going to be heavier. I think I like my car a little heavier actually. It's not so twitchy. I think a pro driver would be faster with a lighter car, but if your reaction time isn't at a pro level, the heavier setup will feel more 'planted'.
Yea, I'm not anal about weight honestly. I just wanted to see if I'm within the average range. I'm sure I can get it lighter by going direct drive, 6S 2650 (instead of 3300), and going with a lighter ESC (Tekin or MMpro). Thanks guys!
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Originally Posted by unsp0ken
Wow, I would've thought those plastic chassis would've weighed quite a bit less.
They are very thick and the downside is that they tend to crack in the middle which is why I use the Tekno chassis/conversion.

Four months of racing and it's in excellent condition. One day of racing and the plastic chassis was toast. Don't get me wrong, the Ve8 is a great handling car but just has its issues. Perhaps when HB/HPI gets the updated chassis out it will be better but heavier with the extra gusseting.
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Originally Posted by unsp0ken
Wow, I would've thought those plastic chassis would've weighed quite a bit less.
. We weighed the chassis out with aluminum skids and it's almost 400 grams. Our chassis are around 290-320 grams.

One thing to consider though with the Ve8 is that the battery tray and some other stuff is built in to the chassis. So they are about equal. The biggest determining factor for weight is the motor and battery. ESC can have an effect too. MMM is 4oz +. That LRP ESC is less than 2oz I think.
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