Roar Brushless motor debate thread.
#91
Tech Legend
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I agree. if you open up the rules for brushed to allow them more room in there development, it probably could settle issues people have when running the two together. Bearings is a big one.
I remember the late Big Jim telling me that if the cuffs weren't on stock motors, they could really do some crazy things that would vastly improve motor life and performance.
I remember the late Big Jim telling me that if the cuffs weren't on stock motors, they could really do some crazy things that would vastly improve motor life and performance.
#92
Stock motor idea,
Instead of changing or limiting the current 13.5 brushless stock. How about opening the rules on the brushed motors to being able to use bearings and neo magnets like the brushless can's. Also allow some slack in the wire size and rotor size for a short term development stage so that the brushed motors can compete head to head with the brushless.
The current rules for brushed motors has limited them to developing motors that are capable of running as long and fast as brushless.
The brushless motors had free and open rules therefor didn't have the restrictions placed on brushed motors other than the Can has to be the same size on the outside.
Open the rules and you might see some development on the brushed motor side that will put a end to the brushless/brushed motor debate.
Instead of changing or limiting the current 13.5 brushless stock. How about opening the rules on the brushed motors to being able to use bearings and neo magnets like the brushless can's. Also allow some slack in the wire size and rotor size for a short term development stage so that the brushed motors can compete head to head with the brushless.
The current rules for brushed motors has limited them to developing motors that are capable of running as long and fast as brushless.
The brushless motors had free and open rules therefor didn't have the restrictions placed on brushed motors other than the Can has to be the same size on the outside.
Open the rules and you might see some development on the brushed motor side that will put a end to the brushless/brushed motor debate.
I have been saying it from the start: put brushed stuff and brushless stuff on the track together and let the superior technology win. There is no use in trying to make them "even".
#93
Pretty much the same although brushless is smoother and more powerful.
You gota have speed to win a race and brushed does seem faster in that
department, but I'm just experimenting with brushless It's just hard to say
which is better.
You gota have speed to win a race and brushed does seem faster in that
department, but I'm just experimenting with brushless It's just hard to say
which is better.
#94
1. allow advance timing of 27T motors?
(i think trinity used to sell a 27T stock that had adjustable timing)
2. allow 23T jap-spec stock brushed motors too
(i think trinity used to sell a 27T stock that had adjustable timing)
2. allow 23T jap-spec stock brushed motors too
#96
Bearings in a brushed stock motor? If someone thinks they can actually notice the difference, be my guest. The only benefit is it will last longer (but the comm and magnets will be so fried it does not matter). I know this will probably catch me some steam from the diehard brushed drivers, but brushed motors are old technology. Something new has come along, why should we fear it? I think that there are still tradeoffs w/ the brushless vs. brushed. With a brushed stock motor I notice I can get my B4 to turn a little better (as well as the other guys at my track w/ B4's). I also feel like the Brushed has a little better topend. I still run a BL though, because most of the other guys have them, and because I dont have to mess with it. It lets me practice more, and wrench less. If brushed motor builders can make something that is as 'good', let them, otherwise, let the BL 13.5 become the staple in the stock class
#97
Regional Moderator
(but the comm and magnets will be so fried it does not matter).
I know this will probably catch me some steam from the diehard brushed drivers, but brushed motors are old technology.
Something new has come along, why should we fear it?
I think that there are still tradeoffs w/ the brushless vs. brushed. With a brushed stock motor I notice I can get my B4 to turn a little better (as well as the other guys at my track w/ B4's). I also feel like the Brushed has a little better topend. I still run a BL though, because most of the other guys have them, and because I dont have to mess with it. It lets me practice more, and wrench less. If brushed motor builders can make something that is as 'good', let them, otherwise, let the BL 13.5 become the staple in the stock class
#98
As far as the stock class is involved, no matter how close in performance you could make a brushed motor it would still be 2 completely different motors. I do think it does suck for the people that would have to get new speedos and brushless motors to "compete" legally. In a class were the motors are set a certain # of turns and rules etc. I believe you cant have 2 completely different types regardless of performance, speaking from a "rules" point of view.
#99
Why not just do away w/ stock & 19 turn class? You don't see 1/8th scales running .15,.18, & .21 sized classes.
#100
Tech Adept
#101
I ran an LRP brushed gravel hound and 19T team checkpoint Dark Impact.
Boy running the dark impact for a whole year really changed my skills dramatically.
#104
Regional Moderator
Ok, How about this.
Adopt the current brushless 13.5 as the stock motor. with the current motors that are available today. No changes may be made in the future.
Once everyone moves to this new standard there will be no more rules for the brushed motors to follow and they can then develop a better motor to compete again.
Then we can have this debate again in a few years.
Some of you may remember a guy named Big Jim. He was working on a better stock motor at one time for Team Brood. He had a arm that was more powerful but it ran into a problem with ROAR rules.
Adopt the current brushless 13.5 as the stock motor. with the current motors that are available today. No changes may be made in the future.
Once everyone moves to this new standard there will be no more rules for the brushed motors to follow and they can then develop a better motor to compete again.
Then we can have this debate again in a few years.
Some of you may remember a guy named Big Jim. He was working on a better stock motor at one time for Team Brood. He had a arm that was more powerful but it ran into a problem with ROAR rules.
#105
I wonder if that would actually work?
Is Team Brood still around?
Is Team Brood still around?