5 Cells, the time is now!! Or atleast by 2008
08-09-2007, 10:45 AM
#226
Sorry, we can't talk lipo without some moron spouting off about a fire their nephew's cousin's brother's soon to be brother-in-law heard about a fire that might have been from a lipo so they are bad.
Ok the topic. The only thing you've said about the topic is I'm a danger to myself for not running 6V and forcing everyone to run it instead of convincing them will make the world a better place? You'd make a great politician.
And just so you know, lipo is a valid point for the 5 cell discussion. Running 5 cell would prevent lipo from running at all. Now some of the other 5 cell threads discuss running that way in general, not cramming it down everyone's throat and invalidating a battery tech at the same time. I don't go in those.
Ok the topic. The only thing you've said about the topic is I'm a danger to myself for not running 6V and forcing everyone to run it instead of convincing them will make the world a better place? You'd make a great politician.
And just so you know, lipo is a valid point for the 5 cell discussion. Running 5 cell would prevent lipo from running at all. Now some of the other 5 cell threads discuss running that way in general, not cramming it down everyone's throat and invalidating a battery tech at the same time. I don't go in those.
what we are talking about is large organized racing(roar, iic, cleavland, snowbirds, cactus and the like)....i could care less if someone is running lipo at the cleub level and i am running 5 cell....if i wanted more voltage i would run 7 cell.......
08-09-2007, 10:45 AM
#227
I have talked with many people in the industry, and they all agree 1/10 RC should go to 5-cells. And not just mod tc, every discipline and every class, stock to mod. I agree. Right now, 6 cells is 7.2v and 2s Lipo is 7.4v no big deal. But 5 cells is 6.0v, the right range. There is no way to get Lipo in that range. It is simply 3.7 or 7.4.. to little or too much...lose-lose. The real change to reduce cost all around... tire wear, cheaper battery, longer motor life, longer electronics life, ect. ect...
08-09-2007, 10:46 AM
#228
I hear you there. I think the issue that the Lipo guys here are concerned about is that if 5 cell becomes a rule then there is a voltage issue that further sets back LiPo as an accepted technology. The A123 cells are a viable option as is vlotage regulation.
08-09-2007, 10:50 AM
#229
how would 6 volts prevent lipo???? the current rules are 7.2, lipo is 7.4 ppl run them anyway.....
what we are talking about is large organized racing(roar, iic, cleavland, snowbirds, cactus and the like)....i could care less if someone is running lipo at the cleub level and i am running 5 cell....if i wanted more voltage i would run 7 cell.......
what we are talking about is large organized racing(roar, iic, cleavland, snowbirds, cactus and the like)....i could care less if someone is running lipo at the cleub level and i am running 5 cell....if i wanted more voltage i would run 7 cell.......
The concept of 7.2V vs. 7.4V is invalid as lipos are limited to 8.4V max voltage at full charge. What do high end NiMH batteries peak at? Nominal voltage means nothing in this conversation.
08-09-2007, 11:10 AM
#231
the limit now is suposed to be 7.2 max...period....not 7.4 or what ever......
some tracks are alowing the lipo any way....that is fine...
i ask you this, if at the roar race that they had the brushless lipo class could i have run my sub c cells?????if the answer is no, then why not, you expect to be able to run lipo why should i not expect to run what i want?????
some tracks are alowing the lipo any way....that is fine...
i ask you this, if at the roar race that they had the brushless lipo class could i have run my sub c cells?????if the answer is no, then why not, you expect to be able to run lipo why should i not expect to run what i want?????
08-09-2007, 11:18 AM
#232
the limit now is suposed to be 7.2 max...period....not 7.4 or what ever......
some tracks are alowing the lipo any way....that is fine...
i ask you this, if at the roar race that they had the brushless lipo class could i have run my sub c cells?????if the answer is no, then why not, you expect to be able to run lipo why should i not expect to run what i want?????
some tracks are alowing the lipo any way....that is fine...
i ask you this, if at the roar race that they had the brushless lipo class could i have run my sub c cells?????if the answer is no, then why not, you expect to be able to run lipo why should i not expect to run what i want?????
ROAR did a lipo truck exhibition class this year at the nats, IMO, to get all the lipo lovers off ROAR's back and make them put up or shut up. IMO, the main was as boring as a 20 - 45 minute gas main, but at least lipo got some exposure and some of the best drivers in the world participated in the class. This class will probably become an official class next year, but lipos won't be allowed in stock, 19T, or mod in 2008 or 2009. Lipos will remain segregated from the real classes for as long as possible so that the NIMH distributors, battery matchers, and motor tuners (19T & Stock) can keep making money off racing until 1/10 electric ROAR races are no longer relevant. At that point, ROAR will either finally change its ways or a new sanctioning body will step in to save electric from all the special interests and do a better job of holding regional and national races that actually reflect what's going on at the club level.
08-09-2007, 11:18 AM
#233
the limit now is suposed to be 7.2 max...period....not 7.4 or what ever......
some tracks are alowing the lipo any way....that is fine...
i ask you this, if at the roar race that they had the brushless lipo class could i have run my sub c cells?????if the answer is no, then why not, you expect to be able to run lipo why should i not expect to run what i want?????
some tracks are alowing the lipo any way....that is fine...
i ask you this, if at the roar race that they had the brushless lipo class could i have run my sub c cells?????if the answer is no, then why not, you expect to be able to run lipo why should i not expect to run what i want?????
08-09-2007, 11:20 AM
#234
Tech Addict
Lipo seems to be the #1 topic on this forum right now. There are at least 3 or 4 different threads going on right now. With all this chatter where are the manufacturers of these products? Unless they are remaining anonymous. In which case I say 'show yourselves!'.
Come on guys. The manufacturers don't care about the racing. They sell their product regardless. They will do what they want when they want, then you will have to go along or quit.
If it wasn't for Dave G at MRC/Academy and Coach at Associated, I'd say we aren't racing cars, we're playing with toys that we have to make do with.
I'm a track owner, so I could easily cut my own throat. But do the companies making all the money give a crap? Everybody come to my track and run what ya freakin' want.
Come on guys. The manufacturers don't care about the racing. They sell their product regardless. They will do what they want when they want, then you will have to go along or quit.
If it wasn't for Dave G at MRC/Academy and Coach at Associated, I'd say we aren't racing cars, we're playing with toys that we have to make do with.
I'm a track owner, so I could easily cut my own throat. But do the companies making all the money give a crap? Everybody come to my track and run what ya freakin' want.
08-09-2007, 11:31 AM
#236
6 cell sub C's have not met the 7.2v limit for years now. This is yet another reason that supports my idea that if racing is to continue and be fair from a power standpoint then the answer is voltage regulation. This way at least one of the variances in batteries and battery technologies can be eliminated.
08-09-2007, 11:33 AM
#238
in my area we have 3 small offroad tracks, (65'x50') in size.....i dont think power is what is winning races......be it brushed brushlesss, lipo 6 cell or 5 cell.....i like the lipo for the ease of use, but i am going to wait for the dust to settle before i jump in, just as i did with brushless......
most of the ppl on this thread run local club racing(if i read everyone correctly) the change is primaraly for the guys who go to the bushell full of big races every year......and has no effect on the club level......
08-09-2007, 11:36 AM
#239
Tech Addict
Sorry I'm off my meds.
I forgot to mention seemingly the whole team at Kyosho. They are also very involved in this forum.
The problem is in competition organizational structure. No racing series in history has been successful when run by a committee. It just turns into a bunch of good old boys looking out for their owns b'hinds. You can't look out for the best interests of the racing if you're selling product and the guy next to you on 'the board' is selling his own product. And the next guy down is selling the advertising.
What is needed is a benign dictator. Why do you think F1 is the biggest sport in the world? Bigger than the Olympics and football (soccer). Sorry NASCAR fans it is true. And for the less informed US racing fans, the same applies to the reason NASCAR is about to become bigger than the NFL. The person in charge doesn't care what the manufacturers want. He just wants to be the biggest kid on the block and if anybody doesn't like it then 'bye-bye'.
I forgot to mention seemingly the whole team at Kyosho. They are also very involved in this forum.
The problem is in competition organizational structure. No racing series in history has been successful when run by a committee. It just turns into a bunch of good old boys looking out for their owns b'hinds. You can't look out for the best interests of the racing if you're selling product and the guy next to you on 'the board' is selling his own product. And the next guy down is selling the advertising.
What is needed is a benign dictator. Why do you think F1 is the biggest sport in the world? Bigger than the Olympics and football (soccer). Sorry NASCAR fans it is true. And for the less informed US racing fans, the same applies to the reason NASCAR is about to become bigger than the NFL. The person in charge doesn't care what the manufacturers want. He just wants to be the biggest kid on the block and if anybody doesn't like it then 'bye-bye'.
08-09-2007, 11:43 AM
#240
Tech Addict
Oh yea. And all the guys at JConcepts. Boy I hope I don't start contradicting myself.