85LikesAGAMA 1/10th 2wd
05-25-2024, 10:35 AM
#46
Tech Adept
At the rear I think this is a better design for offroad though compared to the Pred as the lever arm is much longer, coming off the bottom wishbone. The problem with the Pred was excessive rising rate because of the short lever arm. I expect this to be much better than the pred for bump handling. The concept has been proven with the N1 so the suspension performance bodes well. Great to see such a different design , ballsy to go for it. Steering geometry is a key area, it needs to have similar ackerman to the current top high grip cars...the outside cornering wheel needs to be able to match those for angle / lock. I hadn't clocked it was 5 gear to start with. Will be a total weapon on carpet assuming the steering geometry is on the money.
05-25-2024, 07:56 PM
#47
Did that Predator design ever get any big race accolades? I think BK ran one a few times.
To be fair though... this design looks much more interesting in a 2WD format than the Predator wheeler than the Predator.
05-25-2024, 07:56 PM
#48
Tech Initiate
I'm in.
It is such a cool design that I preordered one today. It will be a lovely winter project.
05-25-2024, 10:59 PM
#49
Tech Adept
Back in the 90's Dean Karns (who if I remember right was a Losi XXX guy at the time) showed up to a big race in Michigan with one of those Predator 10's or whatever it was called. Slammed body, Layed down shocks, Front wing... etc almost 25 years ago. That thing was a complete pile. Dude didnt even make the main at a Michigan State Champs. It was rough to watch.
Did that Predator design ever get any big race accolades? I think BK ran one a few times.
To be fair though... this design looks much more interesting in a 2WD format than the Predator wheeler than the Predator.
Did that Predator design ever get any big race accolades? I think BK ran one a few times.
To be fair though... this design looks much more interesting in a 2WD format than the Predator wheeler than the Predator.
05-25-2024, 11:33 PM
#50
William Mitcham made the top 5 at the 1997 IFMAR Worlds with a Predator XK5.
05-26-2024, 01:51 AM
#53
Tech Initiate
"Yes tested on low traction and very impressive (We ran a ball diff during this low traction testing) "
05-26-2024, 06:55 AM
#54
Tech Adept
Talking about innovation, Atomic Carbon inda house! This forged carbon fibre anything to do with you?
05-26-2024, 06:14 PM
#55
Looks really cool , I always like when someone tries something different.
My only doubt is the material choice.
Sure, ''forged'' (its not forged, its a marketing thing, like on cars) carbon fiber looks interesting, but the classic woven carbon fiber like a 0-90 will surpass the forged material is every metric.
Dont get me wrong, forged CF is normally on par with regular 6061 aluminium in stress tests, but woven carbon fiber is much stronger than both of these.
The weird thing is that forged carbon fiber is mostly used to make parts that you can't make with a woven material (like a sharp 90deg angle).
But on this buggy, its all flat parts, or with a slight angle, which really isn't a challenge to make a woven part with those shapes.
My only doubt is the material choice.
Sure, ''forged'' (its not forged, its a marketing thing, like on cars) carbon fiber looks interesting, but the classic woven carbon fiber like a 0-90 will surpass the forged material is every metric.
Dont get me wrong, forged CF is normally on par with regular 6061 aluminium in stress tests, but woven carbon fiber is much stronger than both of these.
The weird thing is that forged carbon fiber is mostly used to make parts that you can't make with a woven material (like a sharp 90deg angle).
But on this buggy, its all flat parts, or with a slight angle, which really isn't a challenge to make a woven part with those shapes.
05-27-2024, 01:00 AM
#56
Tech Adept
Looks really cool , I always like when someone tries something different.
My only doubt is the material choice.
Sure, ''forged'' (its not forged, its a marketing thing, like on cars) carbon fiber looks interesting, but the classic woven carbon fiber like a 0-90 will surpass the forged material is every metric.
Dont get me wrong, forged CF is normally on par with regular 6061 aluminium in stress tests, but woven carbon fiber is much stronger than both of these.
The weird thing is that forged carbon fiber is mostly used to make parts that you can't make with a woven material (like a sharp 90deg angle).
But on this buggy, its all flat parts, or with a slight angle, which really isn't a challenge to make a woven part with those shapes.
My only doubt is the material choice.
Sure, ''forged'' (its not forged, its a marketing thing, like on cars) carbon fiber looks interesting, but the classic woven carbon fiber like a 0-90 will surpass the forged material is every metric.
Dont get me wrong, forged CF is normally on par with regular 6061 aluminium in stress tests, but woven carbon fiber is much stronger than both of these.
The weird thing is that forged carbon fiber is mostly used to make parts that you can't make with a woven material (like a sharp 90deg angle).
But on this buggy, its all flat parts, or with a slight angle, which really isn't a challenge to make a woven part with those shapes.
05-27-2024, 06:28 AM
#57
Tech Rookie
Looks really cool , I always like when someone tries something different.
My only doubt is the material choice.
Sure, ''forged'' (its not forged, its a marketing thing, like on cars) carbon fiber looks interesting, but the classic woven carbon fiber like a 0-90 will surpass the forged material is every metric.
Dont get me wrong, forged CF is normally on par with regular 6061 aluminium in stress tests, but woven carbon fiber is much stronger than both of these.
The weird thing is that forged carbon fiber is mostly used to make parts that you can't make with a woven material (like a sharp 90deg angle)."for
But on this buggy, its all flat parts, or with a slight angle, which really isn't a challenge to make a woven part with those shapes.
My only doubt is the material choice.
Sure, ''forged'' (its not forged, its a marketing thing, like on cars) carbon fiber looks interesting, but the classic woven carbon fiber like a 0-90 will surpass the forged material is every metric.
Dont get me wrong, forged CF is normally on par with regular 6061 aluminium in stress tests, but woven carbon fiber is much stronger than both of these.
The weird thing is that forged carbon fiber is mostly used to make parts that you can't make with a woven material (like a sharp 90deg angle)."for
But on this buggy, its all flat parts, or with a slight angle, which really isn't a challenge to make a woven part with those shapes.
Totally agree, I have had some experience with "forged" CF when building drone frames.
As you mention, "forged" is marketingspeech.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, it is made by using a mold and filling it with "shards" of CF and a binding resin before pressing and baking it into the desired shape.
But the question is, is it possible to just use a layer of forged cf and bind it with weaved stuff just to achieve the looks? I know this is done in several ways to get different looks and not compromising strength too much.
On the other hand I'm also not overly worried about it beeing too weak, as most of the parts could be made in in plastics as well and still be strong enough. I would imagine flat CF of most kinds should be strong enough to o the job.
05-27-2024, 04:06 PM
#58
probably the only thing at least visually I wonder about is the rear without some kind of bumper setup to protect the rear shock from what I can tell. Someone running into you with the shock exposed a bit would be my concern.
Hopefully these guys don't go the "Lets have $30 a pair springs" like mugen did.
And hopefully this vehicle will lead them to do some good work with some sellers in the USA.
Hopefully these guys don't go the "Lets have $30 a pair springs" like mugen did.
And hopefully this vehicle will lead them to do some good work with some sellers in the USA.
05-27-2024, 04:32 PM
#59
Totally agree, I have had some experience with "forged" CF when building drone frames.
As you mention, "forged" is marketingspeech.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, it is made by using a mold and filling it with "shards" of CF and a binding resin before pressing and baking it into the desired shape.
But the question is, is it possible to just use a layer of forged cf and bind it with weaved stuff just to achieve the looks? I know this is done in several ways to get different looks and not compromising strength too much.
On the other hand I'm also not overly worried about it beeing too weak, as most of the parts could be made in in plastics as well and still be strong enough. I would imagine flat CF of most kinds should be strong enough to o the job.
As you mention, "forged" is marketingspeech.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, it is made by using a mold and filling it with "shards" of CF and a binding resin before pressing and baking it into the desired shape.
But the question is, is it possible to just use a layer of forged cf and bind it with weaved stuff just to achieve the looks? I know this is done in several ways to get different looks and not compromising strength too much.
On the other hand I'm also not overly worried about it beeing too weak, as most of the parts could be made in in plastics as well and still be strong enough. I would imagine flat CF of most kinds should be strong enough to o the job.
I too wonder about using it for the main chassis, since it can be CF sheet as seen in the prototype.
Guess we'll see.
05-28-2024, 08:54 AM
#60
Tech Initiate