Bearings and maintenance
#31
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I have a bottle from a while ago, but I need to get a new one.
I have a bottle from a while ago, but I need to get a new one.
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#33
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#34
FWIW, I just found out that Avid grades their brushless motor bearings.
I tested a couple bearings in a new Fantom Helix RS 13.5 Spec motor. I will say the Abec 7 orange seal Boca outperformed the other RC branded ceramic bearings, including the Fantom hybrid bearing the market as selected for RC. The Boca bearings had lower amp draw and higher rpm. I was skeptical there would be any difference but Tunalyzer proved me wrong.
I tested a couple bearings in a new Fantom Helix RS 13.5 Spec motor. I will say the Abec 7 orange seal Boca outperformed the other RC branded ceramic bearings, including the Fantom hybrid bearing the market as selected for RC. The Boca bearings had lower amp draw and higher rpm. I was skeptical there would be any difference but Tunalyzer proved me wrong.
#35
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Personally i am not a fan of the AVID bearings, because they are not graded. There is argument as to whether this really matters, but i personally think it does. I like to know what i am getting, rather than "Trust me, bro".
Now, this is just me, everyone's financial situation is different, so I dont judge, but for me personally, it is a fools errand repacking RC bearings. Its just not worth my time, when the replacement bearing cost is a matter of $5.
I would recommend looking at the bearing kits from 1up Racing or J&T Bearing Company. They use genuine NMB bearings. Which are very smooth, and very high quality steel bearings, and will give you great life and good serviceability.
Because you are racing on black carpet, there is no need for rubber sealed bearings. You wont suffer from the gritty dust issues of dirt or clay. So you can run a full metal shielded bearing on the car without issue, and get the benefit of reduced friction.
Likewise, i also wouldnt use packed grease bearings either. They tend to be very draggy, and require a lot of running in to get the grease flowing nicely. With the metal shielded NMB bearings, for maintenance you can use brake clean to blast out the bearing (out of the car, obviously), dry with some compressed air, and then use a light oil, like the 1up Bearing Oil or J&T's Advantage Bearing Oil, to keep them well lubricated and protected. Then give them a little dab on race day to keep them running smooth.
Both 1up and J&T also offer "Pro kits" which keep the NMB in the axels, and steering system, but use ceramics in the transmission where they are protected, so you dont have to be as crazy with the maintenance on them, as they are not really exposed to dust and dirt.
Occasionally, bearings will go bad, You should check your bearings regularly after race days when you clean your car, to make sure they are all still running smooth, and free. If there is grittiness, binding, or clicking of any kind, throw them out and replace them. Both J&T and 1up carry bearing packs in the common sizes (usually the axle bearings) that you can use to replace worn out/damaged bearings, and they are usually $5-7 for a pack of 4 bearings. So why spend 15-20 minutes cleaning and repacking a bearing, when you can spend $1-2, and just replace it in 30 seconds?
https://pick1up.com/collections/comp...-ball-bearings
https://promotionrc.com/collections/...-kits-by-brand
You can also order both brands bearing kits from AMain as well.
Now, this is just me, everyone's financial situation is different, so I dont judge, but for me personally, it is a fools errand repacking RC bearings. Its just not worth my time, when the replacement bearing cost is a matter of $5.
I would recommend looking at the bearing kits from 1up Racing or J&T Bearing Company. They use genuine NMB bearings. Which are very smooth, and very high quality steel bearings, and will give you great life and good serviceability.
Because you are racing on black carpet, there is no need for rubber sealed bearings. You wont suffer from the gritty dust issues of dirt or clay. So you can run a full metal shielded bearing on the car without issue, and get the benefit of reduced friction.
Likewise, i also wouldnt use packed grease bearings either. They tend to be very draggy, and require a lot of running in to get the grease flowing nicely. With the metal shielded NMB bearings, for maintenance you can use brake clean to blast out the bearing (out of the car, obviously), dry with some compressed air, and then use a light oil, like the 1up Bearing Oil or J&T's Advantage Bearing Oil, to keep them well lubricated and protected. Then give them a little dab on race day to keep them running smooth.
Both 1up and J&T also offer "Pro kits" which keep the NMB in the axels, and steering system, but use ceramics in the transmission where they are protected, so you dont have to be as crazy with the maintenance on them, as they are not really exposed to dust and dirt.
Occasionally, bearings will go bad, You should check your bearings regularly after race days when you clean your car, to make sure they are all still running smooth, and free. If there is grittiness, binding, or clicking of any kind, throw them out and replace them. Both J&T and 1up carry bearing packs in the common sizes (usually the axle bearings) that you can use to replace worn out/damaged bearings, and they are usually $5-7 for a pack of 4 bearings. So why spend 15-20 minutes cleaning and repacking a bearing, when you can spend $1-2, and just replace it in 30 seconds?
https://pick1up.com/collections/comp...-ball-bearings
https://promotionrc.com/collections/...-kits-by-brand
You can also order both brands bearing kits from AMain as well.
I would just like to update this post, as i see this thread is still getting reads, and likes.
I no longer recommend the 1up bearing kits. The kit that came for my B7 had no ISO marking on them, and they were NOT genuine NMB bearings. To be frank, the quality of the bearings is subpar. They look and feel like cheap generic Chinese bearings. And if i am being honest, i feel a little ripped off.
And after only two club races, and the Desert Classic, there are a couple of hub bearings that are already feeling a little clunky, and will need to be replaced. And that is with a wipe down, and re-lube after every heat. The ceramic bearings in the transmission still feel great though, so fingers crossed those continue to last.
As far as i am aware, the JConcepts bearings are still genuine NMB's.
I will be hitting up my boys at J&T for some replacements, as they used NMB's the last time i ordered from them.
#36
I would just like to update this post, as i see this thread is still getting reads, and likes.
I no longer recommend the 1up bearing kits. The kit that came for my B7 had no ISO marking on them, and they were NOT genuine NMB bearings. To be frank, the quality of the bearings is subpar. They look and feel like cheap generic Chinese bearings. And if i am being honest, i feel a little ripped off.
And after only two club races, and the Desert Classic, there are a couple of hub bearings that are already feeling a little clunky, and will need to be replaced. And that is with a wipe down, and re-lube after every heat. The ceramic bearings in the transmission still feel great though, so fingers crossed those continue to last.
As far as i am aware, the JConcepts bearings are still genuine NMB's.
I will be hitting up my boys at J&T for some replacements, as they used NMB's the last time i ordered from them.
I no longer recommend the 1up bearing kits. The kit that came for my B7 had no ISO marking on them, and they were NOT genuine NMB bearings. To be frank, the quality of the bearings is subpar. They look and feel like cheap generic Chinese bearings. And if i am being honest, i feel a little ripped off.
And after only two club races, and the Desert Classic, there are a couple of hub bearings that are already feeling a little clunky, and will need to be replaced. And that is with a wipe down, and re-lube after every heat. The ceramic bearings in the transmission still feel great though, so fingers crossed those continue to last.
As far as i am aware, the JConcepts bearings are still genuine NMB's.
I will be hitting up my boys at J&T for some replacements, as they used NMB's the last time i ordered from them.
#37
Tech Addict
Not NMB but listed on paper as "ABEC 7 Si3N4 silicone nitride ceramic balls". Decent price at $6 per bearing but sold in sets. Right now my racing level is AVIDs are good enough but these seem like a nicer alternative, on paper, than AVIDs. I got a pair in the front hubs of my LD3. On feel/smoothness alone they seem just as nice. Havent had a time to get it on the track for real world performance.
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#39
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oops. Forgot to link it - https://exceleraterc.com/bearings/ion-metric/
#40
When purchasing direct from Boca, you need to buy 4 and 10 packs to get the pricing down. Not all sizes and types are available in 4 or 10 packs.
#41
I would just like to update this post, as i see this thread is still getting reads, and likes.
I no longer recommend the 1up bearing kits. The kit that came for my B7 had no ISO marking on them, and they were NOT genuine NMB bearings. To be frank, the quality of the bearings is subpar. They look and feel like cheap generic Chinese bearings. And if i am being honest, i feel a little ripped off.
And after only two club races, and the Desert Classic, there are a couple of hub bearings that are already feeling a little clunky, and will need to be replaced. And that is with a wipe down, and re-lube after every heat. The ceramic bearings in the transmission still feel great though, so fingers crossed those continue to last.
As far as i am aware, the JConcepts bearings are still genuine NMB's.
I will be hitting up my boys at J&T for some replacements, as they used NMB's the last time i ordered from them.
I no longer recommend the 1up bearing kits. The kit that came for my B7 had no ISO marking on them, and they were NOT genuine NMB bearings. To be frank, the quality of the bearings is subpar. They look and feel like cheap generic Chinese bearings. And if i am being honest, i feel a little ripped off.
And after only two club races, and the Desert Classic, there are a couple of hub bearings that are already feeling a little clunky, and will need to be replaced. And that is with a wipe down, and re-lube after every heat. The ceramic bearings in the transmission still feel great though, so fingers crossed those continue to last.
As far as i am aware, the JConcepts bearings are still genuine NMB's.
I will be hitting up my boys at J&T for some replacements, as they used NMB's the last time i ordered from them.
You can get the best quality you want an still it will be a question when they will fail or get some cheap bearing directly from Asia and replace them on time w/o any maintenance with a big smile because the price is to laugh about.
#43
Tech Rookie
exactly , well said .