Dispute with Elies12
#1
Dispute with Elies12
I hate to have to do this, especially as a newcomer to this forum, but it just chaps me when I don't get what I paid for.
On Dec 19 2013 I agreed to purchase some batteries from Elies12. Here's a link to his ad:
http://www.rctech.net/forum/r-c-item...wer-lipos.html
Notice that he only included a top side view of the batteries. I immediately paid through PayPal and to his credit he did ship quickly and I received them in few days, 23 Dec to be exact. I PM'd him to let them know they arrived but didn't really inspect them till 24 Dec and realized on of the batteries was swollen / puffed and the hard case was cracked along the side.
Here's a pic of what I received:
http://www.rctech.net/forum/members/...2-pc260054.jpg
I PM'd and asked how he would like to handle it. He said it was good when shipped and I must have damaged it. Those of you in the know are aware that Thunder Power batteries us a different balance cable than most. Being new to Lipos I was not aware of that and do not have a charger or adapter to allow me to do anything with this battery. I explained that to Elies12 but he refuses to take responsibility for the bad cell.
I realize he has been on this forum for much longer than me and has many successful trades in his Trader rating but right is right, and sending a puffed / cracked battery isn't right.
I have lodged a Paypal dispute and hope to work it out equitably, we'll see I guess.
In the meantime ......... BUYER BEWARE.
On Dec 19 2013 I agreed to purchase some batteries from Elies12. Here's a link to his ad:
http://www.rctech.net/forum/r-c-item...wer-lipos.html
Notice that he only included a top side view of the batteries. I immediately paid through PayPal and to his credit he did ship quickly and I received them in few days, 23 Dec to be exact. I PM'd him to let them know they arrived but didn't really inspect them till 24 Dec and realized on of the batteries was swollen / puffed and the hard case was cracked along the side.
Here's a pic of what I received:
http://www.rctech.net/forum/members/...2-pc260054.jpg
I PM'd and asked how he would like to handle it. He said it was good when shipped and I must have damaged it. Those of you in the know are aware that Thunder Power batteries us a different balance cable than most. Being new to Lipos I was not aware of that and do not have a charger or adapter to allow me to do anything with this battery. I explained that to Elies12 but he refuses to take responsibility for the bad cell.
I realize he has been on this forum for much longer than me and has many successful trades in his Trader rating but right is right, and sending a puffed / cracked battery isn't right.
I have lodged a Paypal dispute and hope to work it out equitably, we'll see I guess.
In the meantime ......... BUYER BEWARE.
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the rule of thumb is "buyer beware" not buyer at fault.
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Did this stay on the ground for delivery or did they take a flight? A cargo compartment on a plane can be bad for LiPo. The sudden and drastic drop in air pressure can allow the gas in the cells to rapidly expand doing damage.
I would look into the angle of how these traveled, if they were properly declared as LiPo. It is the shippers responsibility to send them in a safe manner.
I would look into the angle of how these traveled, if they were properly declared as LiPo. It is the shippers responsibility to send them in a safe manner.
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Did this stay on the ground for delivery or did they take a flight? A cargo compartment on a plane can be bad for LiPo. The sudden and drastic drop in air pressure can allow the gas in the cells to rapidly expand doing damage.
I would look into the angle of how these traveled, if they were properly declared as LiPo. It is the shippers responsibility to send them in a safe manner.
I would look into the angle of how these traveled, if they were properly declared as LiPo. It is the shippers responsibility to send them in a safe manner.
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Did this stay on the ground for delivery or did they take a flight? A cargo compartment on a plane can be bad for LiPo. The sudden and drastic drop in air pressure can allow the gas in the cells to rapidly expand doing damage.
I would look into the angle of how these traveled, if they were properly declared as LiPo. It is the shippers responsibility to send them in a safe manner.
I would look into the angle of how these traveled, if they were properly declared as LiPo. It is the shippers responsibility to send them in a safe manner.
I didn't think you were, but I figured I would ask.
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if it puffed in transit, then why does it look like it was taped along the edge?
in any way, it is the sellers job to ensure that contents come to the buyer in the condition they are sold.
If it was shipped not puffed, (which i am doubtful) and the buyer received it puffed, it is still the sellers fault.
in any way, it is the sellers job to ensure that contents come to the buyer in the condition they are sold.
If it was shipped not puffed, (which i am doubtful) and the buyer received it puffed, it is still the sellers fault.
#9
if it puffed in transit, then why does it look like it was taped along the edge?
in any way, it is the sellers job to ensure that contents come to the buyer in the condition they are sold.
If it was shipped not puffed, (which i am doubtful) and the buyer received it puffed, it is still the sellers fault.
in any way, it is the sellers job to ensure that contents come to the buyer in the condition they are sold.
If it was shipped not puffed, (which i am doubtful) and the buyer received it puffed, it is still the sellers fault.
I checked his Trader Rating, asked him specifically on the condition (which he stated was GOOD) and figured he would be GTG. I don't know if this was intentional deception or not but as you say why is there evidence of this battery being taped together on that side.
Hopefully it will all work out.
#10
My vote is it was shipped with issues. I took the add pic and the above pic and compared them. It may not have been too bad when sold, but maybe the air flight puffed it even more.
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8245/bg68.png
ETA I have purchased used batteries here before and had good luck with them. So it's kind of a crap shoot I guess.
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8245/bg68.png
ETA I have purchased used batteries here before and had good luck with them. So it's kind of a crap shoot I guess.
Last edited by spookie; 12-29-2013 at 04:06 PM.
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#13
Thanks for the tip on SMC.
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IMO, he obviously only posted a top view picture for a reason.
NOT cool.
NOT cool.