High Performance Nitro
03-19-2006 | 05:47 PM
#331
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Hey Simon !
Thats awsome news man ! You have no idea what a buzz i get when people tell me they had a hassle free day with their motor and a great time to boot !
Yeah the fuel does need to be tuned to as do all fuels really.. People tend to get a little apprehensive leaning on the mix but i guess i should explain why this happens with fuel.
Ok think of your carb as a gate or tap.. run water through it and it will flow freely and quickly.. Run molases through it and it will run very slowly..
So to different fuels have different thickness or viscosity oils .. The oils i use are very fine so they can run through the carb more readily.. so it would just be relevant to lean or richen the mix to suit.
Now the new mix which will be coming out in the next month is even finer.. preliminary tests have shown it to load up more readily but it is a matter of fine tuning the carb to the fuel.. The advantage with the new fuel is engine longevity and better performance. the new oil has shown to reduce frictional losses by about 20% which is more than we bargained for.. The initial concern was the engines were runing too cool .. Struggling to get 95 deg C was'nt uncommon in testing . But in further testing we found the new oil to cool the engine more rapidly and temping when coming in wasnt accurate. In monitored temps the engines ran at a nice and comfy 100 to 105 deg c and as soon as you came in the temps would drop 5 to 10 deg ...
Having said all this temps arent really that important, what is important is performance. We refer to temping as its a tool to monitor what the oil is doing in the engine ..
So in conclusion we are extremely happy with the new blends , we have to finalise it but there will be 3 new on road blends 2 for 1/10 scale and 1 for 1/8 scale racing and the new off road blend is already in use in Queensland and NSW with excellent results..
Cheers
MM
Thats awsome news man ! You have no idea what a buzz i get when people tell me they had a hassle free day with their motor and a great time to boot !
Yeah the fuel does need to be tuned to as do all fuels really.. People tend to get a little apprehensive leaning on the mix but i guess i should explain why this happens with fuel.
Ok think of your carb as a gate or tap.. run water through it and it will flow freely and quickly.. Run molases through it and it will run very slowly..
So to different fuels have different thickness or viscosity oils .. The oils i use are very fine so they can run through the carb more readily.. so it would just be relevant to lean or richen the mix to suit.
Now the new mix which will be coming out in the next month is even finer.. preliminary tests have shown it to load up more readily but it is a matter of fine tuning the carb to the fuel.. The advantage with the new fuel is engine longevity and better performance. the new oil has shown to reduce frictional losses by about 20% which is more than we bargained for.. The initial concern was the engines were runing too cool .. Struggling to get 95 deg C was'nt uncommon in testing . But in further testing we found the new oil to cool the engine more rapidly and temping when coming in wasnt accurate. In monitored temps the engines ran at a nice and comfy 100 to 105 deg c and as soon as you came in the temps would drop 5 to 10 deg ...
Having said all this temps arent really that important, what is important is performance. We refer to temping as its a tool to monitor what the oil is doing in the engine ..
So in conclusion we are extremely happy with the new blends , we have to finalise it but there will be 3 new on road blends 2 for 1/10 scale and 1 for 1/8 scale racing and the new off road blend is already in use in Queensland and NSW with excellent results..
Cheers
MM
03-19-2006 | 06:11 PM
#332
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Originally Posted by MassiveMods
Hey Simon !
Thats awsome news man ! You have no idea what a buzz i get when people tell me they had a hassle free day with their motor and a great time to boot !
Yeah the fuel does need to be tuned to as do all fuels really.. People tend to get a little apprehensive leaning on the mix but i guess i should explain why this happens with fuel.
Ok think of your carb as a gate or tap.. run water through it and it will flow freely and quickly.. Run molases through it and it will run very slowly..
So to different fuels have different thickness or viscosity oils .. The oils i use are very fine so they can run through the carb more readily.. so it would just be relevant to lean or richen the mix to suit.
Now the new mix which will be coming out in the next month is even finer.. preliminary tests have shown it to load up more readily but it is a matter of fine tuning the carb to the fuel.. The advantage with the new fuel is engine longevity and better performance. the new oil has shown to reduce frictional losses by about 20% which is more than we bargained for.. The initial concern was the engines were runing too cool .. Struggling to get 95 deg C was'nt uncommon in testing . But in further testing we found the new oil to cool the engine more rapidly and temping when coming in wasnt accurate. In monitored temps the engines ran at a nice and comfy 100 to 105 deg c and as soon as you came in the temps would drop 5 to 10 deg ...
Having said all this temps arent really that important, what is important is performance. We refer to temping as its a tool to monitor what the oil is doing in the engine ..
So in conclusion we are extremely happy with the new blends , we have to finalise it but there will be 3 new on road blends 2 for 1/10 scale and 1 for 1/8 scale racing and the new off road blend is already in use in Queensland and NSW with excellent results..
Cheers
MM
Thats awsome news man ! You have no idea what a buzz i get when people tell me they had a hassle free day with their motor and a great time to boot !
Yeah the fuel does need to be tuned to as do all fuels really.. People tend to get a little apprehensive leaning on the mix but i guess i should explain why this happens with fuel.
Ok think of your carb as a gate or tap.. run water through it and it will flow freely and quickly.. Run molases through it and it will run very slowly..
So to different fuels have different thickness or viscosity oils .. The oils i use are very fine so they can run through the carb more readily.. so it would just be relevant to lean or richen the mix to suit.
Now the new mix which will be coming out in the next month is even finer.. preliminary tests have shown it to load up more readily but it is a matter of fine tuning the carb to the fuel.. The advantage with the new fuel is engine longevity and better performance. the new oil has shown to reduce frictional losses by about 20% which is more than we bargained for.. The initial concern was the engines were runing too cool .. Struggling to get 95 deg C was'nt uncommon in testing . But in further testing we found the new oil to cool the engine more rapidly and temping when coming in wasnt accurate. In monitored temps the engines ran at a nice and comfy 100 to 105 deg c and as soon as you came in the temps would drop 5 to 10 deg ...
Having said all this temps arent really that important, what is important is performance. We refer to temping as its a tool to monitor what the oil is doing in the engine ..
So in conclusion we are extremely happy with the new blends , we have to finalise it but there will be 3 new on road blends 2 for 1/10 scale and 1 for 1/8 scale racing and the new off road blend is already in use in Queensland and NSW with excellent results..
Cheers
MM
man if only i was more into nitro like i was about 1.5 years ago! (can't be bothered racing nitro now
) this stuff sounds awesome.
Where
03-19-2006 | 08:26 PM
#334
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We can sell it to you direct in 20 litre drums , its the cheapest way.. I have a few pwoplw buying it in 20 litre drums but mainly for off orad at the moment..
If you are interested let me know and ill send you a cost sheet.
If you are interested let me know and ill send you a cost sheet.
03-19-2006 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by VenomWorldOrder
man if only i was more into nitro like i was about 1.5 years ago! (can't be bothered racing nitro now ) this stuff sounds awesome.
) this stuff sounds awesome.Hey MC Venom !
I love inventing fuels.. its so much fun eh .. I cant wait to race 1/10 myself ! all i need is a car and a radio and some electrics but i have a motor ! thats a start...
hey Venom ( MC ) where can i get some rubber on road tyres for 200mm ?
03-19-2006 | 09:48 PM
#336
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Hi Mark,
Just thought i would bring you up to date.......
Have now run though about about 5-6 litres of the your new blend through our engines. My son currently has his AXE Rossi LSK in and we are consistently averaging 10.30 - 11.00 minutes per tank. The really good news is that the engine temp was never over 105c.
The CMB PRO is going really well....
Ther appears to be no difference between it and the Rossi (if anything it appears slightly smoother in its acceleration).
We also tried it in our RB World Series 7 engines. Never heard those engines go as hard as they did with your fuel. Unfortunately it failed to fix their bottom end lack of grunt.............
We always have a really nice smoke trial from both engines thought out the whole tank....
BTW just out of interest we also purchased another well known fuel at the same time we got yours. Same nitro content (same brand as well) and while it ran fine we could not get the same run time as your fuel and we had to richen up from your fuel settings.
Cheers
Mark
Just thought i would bring you up to date.......
Have now run though about about 5-6 litres of the your new blend through our engines. My son currently has his AXE Rossi LSK in and we are consistently averaging 10.30 - 11.00 minutes per tank. The really good news is that the engine temp was never over 105c.
The CMB PRO is going really well....
Ther appears to be no difference between it and the Rossi (if anything it appears slightly smoother in its acceleration).
We also tried it in our RB World Series 7 engines. Never heard those engines go as hard as they did with your fuel. Unfortunately it failed to fix their bottom end lack of grunt.............
We always have a really nice smoke trial from both engines thought out the whole tank....
BTW just out of interest we also purchased another well known fuel at the same time we got yours. Same nitro content (same brand as well) and while it ran fine we could not get the same run time as your fuel and we had to richen up from your fuel settings.
Cheers
Mark
03-20-2006 | 12:15 AM
#339
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Originally Posted by MassiveMods
Hey MC Venom !
I love inventing fuels.. its so much fun eh .. I cant wait to race 1/10 myself ! all i need is a car and a radio and some electrics but i have a motor ! thats a start...
hey Venom ( MC ) where can i get some rubber on road tyres for 200mm ?
I love inventing fuels.. its so much fun eh .. I cant wait to race 1/10 myself ! all i need is a car and a radio and some electrics but i have a motor ! thats a start...
hey Venom ( MC ) where can i get some rubber on road tyres for 200mm ?
you're gonna have to use sorex 40's with a "A" hard insert if you wanna use it for nitro. you will still cook them up very quickly and they won't last long. stick with foams for nitro.
03-20-2006 | 02:57 AM
#340
Originally Posted by VenomWorldOrder
you're gonna have to use sorex 40's with a "A" hard insert if you wanna use it for nitro. you will still cook them up very quickly and they won't last long. stick with foams for nitro.
You reckon? i had a set of sorex 28r's with a meidum 'b' insert on my nitro back in the day. the tyres outlast the rims, the center of the rims all ripped out, it was rather interesting to see my car traction hopping and the n have a wheel fly off
03-20-2006 | 03:29 AM
#341
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Oh ok are they the ones you use for electric ? well i dont think they would suit.. ill have to find some rubber tyres for my new MTX 3 ! woo hoo i managed to find one ! I just dont wanna keep putting on foamies every day or every race... I just wanna start the car and run and enjoy... then put it in a box untill next time..
MM
MM
03-20-2006 | 03:31 AM
#342
Originally Posted by MassiveMods
Oh ok are they the ones you use for electric ? well i dont think they would suit.. ill have to find some rubber tyres for my new MTX 3 ! woo hoo i managed to find one ! I just dont wanna keep putting on foamies every day or every race... I just wanna start the car and run and enjoy... then put it in a box untill next time..
MM
MM
we got some cheap rubbers you can get. Should last you a while even with your hand brakies around the corners 
03-21-2006 | 02:59 AM
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Hey great idea ! i gotta speak with Mr Burgess tomorrow so ill hook up some rubber ! woo hoo !
hey any idea what brands they got ? Italian PMS by any chance ? Do Medial Pro make 1/10 scale on road tyres ?
hey any idea what brands they got ? Italian PMS by any chance ? Do Medial Pro make 1/10 scale on road tyres ?