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Mmm, I don't remember seeing the rule come through about limiting tyre choice for 17.5, I'll have to go back through my mail and check.
I know we have limitations on tyres at our club for the SCT class to keep cost down and competition close. Those rules have been in place since the club's inception and only had 2 sets of tyres added to it not a month ago. I think we are unique in the country for doing it, but it works for us. That said, we haven't run a sanctioned event before either. However I can see the issue as my budget is VERY tight for racing . I think the answer may lie in limiting the number of tyres used for an event, if they wear out before the last race, bad luck, should have picked a harder tyre. Much like full size motorsport (v8's, rally etc etc). However for the most part I think a combination of a control tyre and limited numbers of them is the best solution. |
The proposal for limiting tyre quantities was actually voted on last year, at around mid-year. It was defeated 5 votes to 4 from memory.
Here is a link to the proposal text: http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rc...,d.c2E&cad=rja You'll note it was originally submitted in 2011. It took us 2 years to work through all the issues with 2 different AARCMCC EP OFR Section Heads to get it to the point of being ready to vote on. The original proposal contained a limit on tyres for Mod as well, of 1 set per 2 races, but after discussion with the AARCMCC Exec we took that out and focussed on Stock where the proposal made more sense historically in terms of what Stock is, and where the proposal had a greater chance of success. In the end one piece of feedback we got was that one club voted no, because they didn't believe there should be different tyre rules for Stock and Mod. We're at the point now, where, since it has been a year, the proposal could be put back up to be voted on again. Someone else will have to do it though, as since I've left the MORCC Executive, I don't think the current executive would support the proposal (it was only narrowly carried on our committee last time). Edit: The results of the vote were published on this page: http://www.rctech.net/forum/australi...nline-310.html Defeated 56% to 44%, (which is 5 to 4). |
100% agree Ray with everything your saying as well mate
we get supported by these companies yet we cant support them in these events i am not sure how just a club can say traction compound is not allowed though ? its in the rules and if your using traction compound then its used way before you even get to the track so if that happens for nats they need to be telling people NOW cause as far as we all know we are working to the rules on there website for the governing body yes the thoughts would be the heads to get together and choose the 4 or 5 type bar tyres from the different company's so you only take that one type not a whole heap of bar tyres limiting costs again i agree cause tyres again for this event is dearer then where i am staying for 6 nights |
Originally Posted by Radio Active
(Post 13491370)
On what basis wasn't it allowed? Do you know what mechanism they used?
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Originally Posted by DBL15
(Post 13489643)
ok guys this should be discussed so we can all see if its worth bringing up at the National EP 1/10th titles in October for voting etc
after seeing some talk from Matty Griffen and other talks around some tracks i will put it out there , with the sport / hobby on the growth i think we need to move with the times and with numbers growing top 5 state drivers and top 10 national driver should be able to get tyre help , not free i know but discounted deals should be able to be secured , we want the best to race at all these events and controlled tyre events can sometime cause issues over the past 5 years every single state title or national title has either been run on a small pin type tyre or a bar type tyre , this should be opened up to all manufactures to say any driver can for example use any one of the following tyres just a quuick example with out even looking Bar type AKA = rebars Proline = Suburbs Panther = Rattlers Hot Bodies = Beams J Concepts = Bar codes Pin Type AKA = Gridions Proline = Holeshots Panthers = Raptors Hot Bodies = Megabites J Concepts = Double Dees ok that was just a quick look and some might be a tad off but you get the idea , all these main event need to attract everyone and there is a lot of people that know and use there own brand of tyre that there happy with surely if we are going to try and be the best in the sport then we should be allowed to use the equipment we practise with i would like to hear others thoughts i dont mind limiting numbers etc or even compound softness thats fine have a go at the poll and vote so we can see if its worth taking this to all clubs at the nats sorry i cant seem to get a poll up :confused: should we be able to use controlled patterns from all companys or should we all have to use controlled tyre from 1 company |
Originally Posted by Painy
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In Matt Griffins comments.. you would have noticed that almost everyone agreed that control tires are a good thing..
this would open it up to be a lot fairer for all and plus lets just say you win again with AKA then it would look way better then when you won with proline do you not agree ? sponsorship relies on results plain and simple and promoting the product as i said i just put it out there to ask the question but the best drivers in the country should be allow to promote the companies that support them in there hobby / sport we all run our own companies front tyres so really whats the difference :confused: |
Originally Posted by DBL15
(Post 13491985)
i did see that but what i was saying is that why should drivers have to ask there sponsors permission to race the main Australian title event for the year because only 1 tyre company each year gets its
Go back and have a look at the equipment lists for the Off-road races in the 90s where there was open tyre. You had Losi sponsored drivers using Pro-Line tyres and vice versa, when the conditions called for it. Despite being sponsored the drivers all recognised that the tyres were the most crucial item for your performance, and that if someone else's tyres worked better you would have to use them. The tyre sponsors of those drivers understood that too, and didn't place any restrictions on the drivers or anything like that. Why would sponsored drivers now have to be asking their sponsors permission for attending events with control tyres? When in the past they were even ok with them using the competitor's tyres at open tyre events. |
Originally Posted by Radio Active
(Post 13492013)
I don't understand this comment.
Go back and have a look at the equipment lists for the Off-road races in the 90s where there was open tyre. You had Losi sponsored drivers using Pro-Line tyres and vice versa, when the conditions called for it. Despite being sponsored the drivers all recognised that the tyres were the most crucial item for your performance, and that if someone else's tyres worked better you would have to use them. The tyre sponsors of those drivers understood that too, and didn't place any restrictions on the drivers or anything like that. Why would sponsored drivers now have to be asking their sponsors permission for attending events with control tyres? When in the past they were even ok with them using the competitor's tyres at open tyre events. eg slicks are the only tyre that work at GCRC all tyre sponsored drivers has asked there companies for permission to run slicks at GCRC contracts are signed if you use other companies tyres then your in breach of contract plain and simple |
Originally Posted by DBL15
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i am not one of the top guys in terms of sponsorships but i sign a contract each year with my sponsor to use there products only and if i need to use others for events then i do it in writing as per the contract and i am pretty sure most companies contracts are all the same
eg slicks are the only tyre that work at GCRC all tyre sponsored drivers has asked there companies for permission to run slicks at GCRC contracts are signed if you use other companies tyres then your in breach of contract plain and simple |
Originally Posted by Radio Active
(Post 13492120)
Surely, a simpler solution than AARCMCC changing the rules would be to ask your sponsor to change the contract so that it included a standard exception for control tyre events?
its fine i had this question asked to me over the past few weeks so i thought i would see as i thought it was a very fair question drivers need to be able to support the companies that support us a number of tyre dealers could supply the selected patterns agreed apon at the start of the year by the governing body to me it dont seem that hard |
Originally Posted by DBL15
(Post 13492140)
your missing the whole point of this discussion Dan
its fine i had this question asked to me over the past few weeks so i thought i would see as i thought it was a very fair question drivers need to be able to support the companies that support us a number of tyre dealers could supply the selected patterns agreed apon at the start of the year by the governing body to me it dont seem that hard Your proposed restricted tyre will increase costs for the average racer and will most likely lead to less racers attending big events. I agree with Dan that your contract should have a standard exception for control tyre events so you don't need to put it in writing for every event. |
Originally Posted by DBL15
(Post 13492140)
your missing the whole point of this discussion Dan
its fine i had this question asked to me over the past few weeks so i thought i would see as i thought it was a very fair question drivers need to be able to support the companies that support us a number of tyre dealers could supply the selected patterns agreed apon at the start of the year by the governing body to me it dont seem that hard I would rather have a system where nobody considered shooting for tyre sponsorship because there was no advantage in it, than one where we design rules to suit the manufacturer/sponsored driver relationship. Building rules to suit manufacturer/sponsored driver arrangements won't help us bring new people in. Perceived cost is already a problem tilting the playing field in favour of the 'haves' will put off new people more. People ask me sometimes if I think we should ban sponsored drivers from Stock. Actually the proposition gets put up a lot. My answer is always no. And then I go on to say that the rules for Stock, however, need to be written to eliminate the on-track advantage to those who are sponsored, and that control tyres and motor & ESC are/should be a key part of that. If we look at the biggest event in the RC World, the IFMAR World Championships, it's a controlled tyre event. Even at the highest level where the top half of the field are all sponsored, they recognise the necessity of controlling the tyres. I don't think we should move away from that. |
Well said Daniel.
If it wasn't for the control tyres I wouldn't even think about doing the Off Road Nats. I don't have the experience or time to go test different tyres before hand to know which ones are best. |
Question is, on the basis of this forum, would a club holding either a major stand alone event, or sanctioned event be willing to test all compounds, and treads, of all available brands, and be able to post their findings well in advance of the said event.
I know Keilor has run an event with the same ideals, as Ray touched on earlier. If a tyres of a certain type, compound etc is being used by the majority of the tracks club members, this would already be the basis of which to work from. I know a lot want super high grip on road with jump tracks, and super grip 1run special tyres but the reality is most clubs don't have money to keep up this track standard, and nor the members to keep throwing cash at it. It would be nice to see best tread pattern, but a harder compound (if it lasts longer etc) over the out right fast tyre at a few of these events. But on that point I have read that the tyre chosen for the Canberra track was a very good choice with quite a few reports of good tyre wear. So I see this as a big positive move in the right direction. Well done to those that worked on the selection. |
Originally Posted by Radio Active
(Post 13492120)
Surely, a simpler solution than AARCMCC changing the rules would be to ask your sponsor to change the contract so that it included a standard exception for control tyre events?
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