Dear RC Racers

As the Tamiya TRF 415 kits are quite new to us here in Australia, and as I have had quite a lot of feed back regarding these kits, its only best that we forward on our comments and considerations that people should make before buying this kit. So far 3 issues have risen that people should be concerned about:

1. Regarding the DIA 3mm x 12mm long threaded grub screws that screw through the front and rear arms, the holes to which you have to screw these into are VERY tight, and the holes require slight drilling out so as to accommodate the grub screw. As these suspension arms are high strength ABS plastic, we have already encountered splitting of the plastic if these holes aren't oversized.

2. To avoid damage to the Blue anodised ball joints during attachment to various plastic components, it is recommended that a screw of similar size and thread is used to "pre-thread" the hole before the installation of the anodised part. This will dramatically reduce scratching made by the Tamiya spanner to these parts.

3. The TRF 415 kit does not include a pinion motor gear! You will need to purchase one of these separate to the kit.

We hope the above information is helpful to potential buyers, and current buyers assembling the kit, alike.

Kind regards,

The Manager
RC Master International
[email protected]
www.rcmaster.net.au

refer to: http://www.rctech.net/pages/advertising.shtml should you want to advertise your online shop on this forum.

Bk has got a very good point you are using this as a marketing strategy nothing else there are ways to be promoted rather than the ways you are using. There is a saying you need to spend money to make money. So pay to advertise on here rather than this cheap advertising trick.

And may i ask if the MD bit in your email stands for Managing Director becuase you site looks pretty bare and to have emails and signitures like you do would think you were somewhat a company the size of Trinity or Tamiya or something. Sorry this sounds rude however you really come across as trying to sound very important as though you have a multi million dollar company. This you may have if you had atlease spent 40 a month on advertisin on here. Sorry if i sound harsh.

Regards.

And thanks for the info re the 415 however quite a few of my friends have since purchased the 415 and the arms will not split and just one more thing 9 out of 10 kits dont come with pinions anyway.

yeah i can confirm the arms wont split. ive set up four of them and no splits yet. paulg has as well. the pinion didnt bother me ..
and the ball joint - a small scratch here or there is nothing.

Whilst we have advertised our company (in another thread) and have used forums all over Australia to do so, we find your comments regarding this posted thread completely wrong.

The basis for this thread is to highlight some very basic issues/considerations surrounding the TRF 415, and are more for the beginners out there wanting the best car on the block.

I think you all have forgotton that Forums are also a basis for sharing information, and with the attitude displayed here, your critisism should be taken elsewhere.

The issues here are legitimate. They do not advertise, sell or push our company in any way. If you think otherwise - then prove us wrong!

Now to respond to all your comments:

TRF_Steve - You can confirm the arms wont split - well mate, after having sold 14 kits around australia 5 have reported splitting in the arms due to the grub screw fixing being too tight! - And the ball joint scratching - Some of these guys like to have a prestine condition chassis without scratching before they hit the track!

Losi Kid - Not everyone is as experienced as you mate. Sharing information and warning people about these issues is better than sitting back, watching and waiting for complaints. Have you ever heard the word "proactive". If not look it up.

Black Knight - Thankyou for your post regarding the advertising. We are currently looking into this expenditure and we will consider all options in the coming week.

regards,

RC Master International.

415 is a pro racecar kit... it is a worry that they are being
targetted at "beginners". Something is not right there.



The arms on it are just the TA04 Hard Arms, nothing special.
Have been using them for last 4 yrs... got at least a dozen sets,
NONE have ever "split".

In fact its more likely that the holes grab the droopscrew too
tightly, and afterwards they are impossible to take out.

In the TBe3 manuals, they instruct you to drill out the holes with
a 3mm bit - this eases the drama a lot. Can your customers read?


You're not selling grey-import 415s with an All-Japanese manual,
are you??

Tha manual clearly states that the holes have to be expanded with a 3mm drill bit. Its says in the corner in case you missed it.

If its too tight dont force it.... otherwise you will have problems

hnyuk nyuk yuk <snigger>... No comment sorry Luie.

Yeah my droopy screws get really red hot when forcing them in
(have even burnt myself on them) and after they cool down later
usually find them welded to the arms.

Hi,

I think it's really good that you have taken the initiative to warn any potential buyers for this car model.

On the other hand I agree with losi kid in that you need to financially support these forums especially if you have a commercial purpose by advertising..

I can't rate this particular posting as a commercial purpose one but there are a lot of others from you that directly promotes your store.

Thank you and keep up the good work!

RC master,,

i like that your trying to help and back products for ppl that might not know all the tricks that theses guys doo..

keep up the good work and great support.

rcmaster: thats a good question , do you buy from an australian distie, or overseas. it makes no difference to me as i allready have a 415 and at the end of the day your prices are good. i just get a feeling off some other traders that they buy retail overseas then on sell them here.

the ball link wont scratch if you have a proper tool any way. the tools that come with the kit suck. the allen key isnt even the exact size.


i dont agree with it being a beginner car, yet i do agree it should be sold to beginners if they want to race competitiveley, as i've seen ppl burned in the past when thay buy a cheap car and hop it up and its worth more than the cost of the better kit in the first place and doesnt go as good.

don't get me wrongg mate, from what i've seen of you you go about things the right way and try to look after ppl and your prices are good. just advertise mate and then you can say what you want...
just my rant

rcmaster: So you have sold 14 of this kits. how many have you made yourself? if you know how to read a manual you would find the answer to your problems. I have built a few of this cars now and have had none of the problems that you are stating.

I have looked at your store online and I was thinking of buying stuff from you but after your dumb arse statements about this kit that is designed for pro racers and builders I think I'll rethink buying from you.

Things that you forgot to mention, if you felt you needed to point somethings out for the first time buyer, you might have told them the following

1. the kit comes with wheels but no tyres
2. the kit also does not come with a body shell
3. the chassis DOES require some sanding in the battery slots, this will mark the chassis.

Now that would have been helpful.

Do you really think that Tamiya would release a car that didn't fit together properly; I think not, it's not in their interest.

Maybe you should built the kit before you comment on its problems, I have built mine and have raced it and I think it is one of the best kits I have ever built and driven.

Think before you speak

Paul

HAHAHAHA Just like the Evo3 front diffs ay....... nuff said

Hey man, take it easy... No one's saying this is a bad car with lots of issues.

The guy is simply reflecting the customer feedback he received so far, which is a good thing isn't it???

Probably, because of his contribution, some people may remeber to pay extra attention to those areas or disregard it completely if they don't have any problems with it...

yeah well thats all cool, but why didnt he tell every customer who baught a 415 after he found out about the issue ( or simply read tha manual in the first place) about said issues ?

this post just rubbed me the wrong way.