Its funny all this discussion, and the recent praise for the Tekin.
I have all of them and for the last 2-3 years since the first tekin R1 came out it has IMO been a dog. Strange feel, no grunt, totally useless for mod etc etc.
At first i also didnt like the SPX, but i think i tracked this down to soft lipo packs, it seems you need fresh packs for any of these timing speedies to truly work properly.
Last week i did give the RS Pro another go with a 10.5 at windsor, after a fair bit of tweaking it does feel pretty good, on par with the SPX that i have been running the last month or two, i have a few more changes to make and im hoping it will improve more. I can see that on a large track the Tekin would be good, as it seems to continue to pull.

Its amusing to see everyone clamouring for a RS now, when in 2 weeks the LRP will be here, and it will most likely be on par if not faster than the Tekin 203.

The free upgrades are awesome, but IMO it has taken 2 year for the upgrades to catch up with the STD SPX. And dont even start with the Team wave, IF you can get one going they seem pretty decent, but their claims of software upgrades were blown out of the water with the release of the RB-S (according to Max directly, the CPU of the 30 and 50 are not big enough for the S software)

you can get pretty small laptops these days, I might try stick one of those to my chassis and cut out the middleman

Im definetly no expert on modern racing but the old brushed stock class was fixed timing,now the speedo can adjust this timing so this doesnt sound like stock to me.I can fully understand the argument and why people would be pissed.I remember when people used to cut their brushes to acheive advanced timing and that was illegal and highly frowned upon,if you did it you were a cheat,now it is acceptable cause the speedo does it for you?

Just an Idea
If you want controlled racing then the speedy manufacturers surely could limit the RPM of the motors to say a fixed number, then you could limit the FDR then hey presto all cars same speed,
Fair? yes,but then life's not fair, why should RC be any different
like I said,just an idea

Unfortunately its not all about RPM, they would then just work out ways to increase the Torque delivered at those set RPM, and you could just gear up.

To me it sounds like a true stock class is required, a number of us suggested this for the CC 2010, but Trevor in his wisdom didnt even properly explore the idea. A budget low cost control speedie and motor, it works perfectly in Mini, should be no different in TC.

at the end of the day a speedy doesnt win racers its the driver !! as proven a summernats with a 5 year old chassie winning stock( without the so called super fast tekin )( still yet to win anything:lol::lol:) at the end of the day the same fast guys will win the racers !

When Team Wave can make all their RB-S's turn the motor forwards instead of backwards in turbo mode (stuffing your motor and gears at the same time) they might just have a chance. As it is now, I'd rather have an old resistor type Analog SC and servo than a RB-S, but unfortunately I've got an RB-S.

This has generated a lot more discussion than I expected, but the information (when u sift out the rubbish) is educational. I did not start this thread to "have a whinge" as was so expertly suggested earlier. I was looking to see if the ESC's were a contributor to the difference in speed in what should be a 'spec' class.
I am in the market for a new esc anyway, as my GTB is a borrowed one after i flamed my second one a couple of months ago.... So this was to be a means for me to determine which way to jump. My thoughts as follows;

-Being able to make changes/adjustments at the track easily a definite necessity. Can do with a computer, but would naturally be easier at the track if this not strictly required.

-Should have the 'active' timing adjustment, so at least I can have the power to keep up. It then be up to me to drive well enough to take advantage of it.

-Should definitely be software/firmware upgradeable. Don't see the sense in buying a new esc every year!

-More than happy to buy local, but not if the local price is double the O/S price, as is often seen with LRP and Novak.

-Suggestions where to get these from, local or o/s?
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Agree entirely the only way to have a truly equal playing field is to have a control esc & motor. I think the Tekin would be a great control ESC as at least they are upgradeble and the firmware is freely available to everyone. As for the motor you could designate a control motor to run for a year ending with the National Titles that way everyone has had a whole year to run with the motors and now exactly how to get the best out of them. After the Nationals a new motor is then made the control motor for the next year. This would be extremely cost effective as you would not need to go and buy the latest equipment to be competitive.

We should also get away from calling it stock class and call it a spec class.

Yes. Sold the Xray.

Anyway, I have a Tekin. As Canon stated, they are the same price, if not cheaper than most other good brands. Why would you go buy another brand if the Tekin's are beating you?
The Tekin is the choice of a lot of drivers now for the very good reason, they provide FREE updates. This is the reason I have one. I am in the same boat as a lot of other people. I cannot go out and afford a new speedy every time a company brings out a new model (team wave for example).

I thought that is the idea behind the 21.5 class

+1 for the control esc and motor ,for a class that is faster than 540,yet slower than the current 17.5.
The 21.5s are still subjective to esc wars too,the punch is just lower.

Like all changes, people need to do the R&D at club level first,then take it progressively higher on the event scale. E.G : CC, Summer Nats,Stares, Nationals.

For the club racer,who wants to be competitive - on a budget,it just isn't happening at present. You save the $ to go brushless, then 3-6 months later, you're off the pace.This can be quite disheartening to guys ,who try their best ,week in,week out.
Skill is important, but can't help when the front wheels are pointed straight....... :nod:
I love the simple setting adjustments on the SPX,but how much longer can it keep me at the front ??
The mini system works great for that class, just a shame the tyres are so damn frustrating !! :flaming::flaming:

whats the difference u buy a new chassie every year ?????? :lol::lol:

and let's throw in the seemingly crazy lipo chase...5000 40c, then 5000 50c, now 5600 50c, what next?

It's fun just to sit back & watch it all, consumers nightmare, retailers dream:lol:

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