brusharc,

I'm sorry you find my tone patronising and dismissive, and my content useless. I have re-read what I wrote and fail to see how you could have got this impression.

I still believe I have made a valid point and I respect your right to disagree.

Scotty P

Whatever, I think the real reason will be know to all soon as to why B/L was not allowed.


Coxy.

The only reason why i could se BL not being allowed is if MR RTR Lines Dave Smith has a personal issue with the BL racers represented here. Or More likely the Jansen has been confirmed and RTR Lines and HEI will be embarrased that half of the mod field are running BL, and very few Brushed runners are using Orion prodicts!

A lot of people have expressed their personal opinions to me and I know of at least 8-10 of the top 20 mod racers in Aus will not be racing under the current rules. It will be a great spectacle to see Sugarkane and Jansen come out to compete against Cookie, Abbott and Cambell. As all other racers entered will be 2 laps behind.

Commercial interests have always been quite strong in Aussie racing, but i was of the opinion that the tide has turned and that racer choice was now dictating races, all i can say is that people with conviction will not fall to the commercial interests and join us in the corporate tent for a cold beverage:D

Controlled tyres is a great ideal.

Many internation race meets use controlled tyres. It seperates the drivers not the cars as to controlled numbers of sets this only reduces the cost to racers otherwise sponsored drivers will use a new set every heat and final.

As to the rims and inserts not sure weather they should be open or not. I only every use two different rims and lately on one type. For my car because others have not worked as well.

I also have my preferred inserts for different tracks and sometimes different condtions. Controlled insert will help to bring the field closer together. Espicaly for the guys that usually run foam.

POD

I'd be very surprised if the decision to ban B/L was driven by personal differences.

I do think there may be some merrit to the Oscar/HEI theory though. I don't know about being 'embarassed', but I would think it entirely acceptable for a sponsor to want to maximise their chances of success at an event they're supporting.

On a slightly more positive note, how awesome will it be to see SC back at the Creek! He was amazing to watch last year. It would be better still if Oscar could drag along one of the top Orion drivers to keep him honest.

Unfortunate that all the focus tends to be on the negatives of this event rather than the numerous positives. :(


Scotty P

Im not wanting to get into this debate but I must say that if the decision to run controlled tyres/inserts etc takes place then i will be there-work/money permitting of course!

Im a huge fan of controlled tyres and cant stand events without controlled tyres. Foams I dont mind as they all seem to work in some way. Rubber tyres are a nightmare without a control.

As for brushless we dont have them running down here in Victoria, so i dont know much about them. As I understand though they are fast so im prepared to race against them running a brushed motor. I dont think speed means that much at our level as no one in Oz is running perfect setups with perfect driving. If someone makes a metre on me down the straight then im confident of making that up. This goes vice-versa also of course!

Maybe I was a bit harsh there ScottyP! My apologies. :wink:

BUT imagine if Novak was the 'sponsor'. Would the organiser have banned all brushed motors? ....hmmm

Maybe I have a hang-up about the word 'Nationals'. For me it implies some sort of regulatory body sanctioning the title as opposed to a 'Challenge/Cup/etc' which is obviously run to promote a manufacturer.

I can however see the push to make it like an 'international' event with all the controls and IFMAR mod rules... But then where does that leave AARMACCA (Electric section)?

No worries brusharc. We all tend to get worked up on here sometimes... myself included!

You make a good point about using the word 'Nationals'. On checking, the correct title for the event is Winter Champs.

Regardless of rules, it will be great to hopefully see a couple of Pro's go at it with our best!

Scotty P

Not that I would like to get into this conversation but brusharc if it is so obvious could you please tell me who is the manufacturer you are talking about that I am promoting?

TJ, I'm not sure what you're getting at. If you're talking about the 2004 Club Challenge - That is obviously to promote clubs not manufacturers - I'm sorry that you felt a 'target' by that post! What I was refering to was the likes of TCS, Kyosho Cup, HPI Challenge.

Anyway, ScottyP has corrected me - Its the 'Winter Champs' not Winter Nationals. It will be one of the highlights of 2004 but would have been good to see the organisers support AARMRC though.

I'm sorry I misunderstood your comments.

What would people think of a "Mod Open" class run alongside of the "Mod International" class?

Could finally put an end to both the Rubber v Foam debate and the BL v Brushed debate, all in one motion. Let the racer choose, therefore you could get an accurate representation of what people want to race. Would HEI, CMC and RTR accept such a proposition? (we all know all of the above view these threads, how about a public acknowledgement?)

...yawn

:(

Sounds like it could work, yet there are not enough people racing mod anyway, let alone having two separate classes.
But then again.....

Brad, I think 2 mod classes is a verry good ideah.. but not in the the format you purpose.


i do belive that brushless and brushed should be the difference, Campbell thinks the same thing if you need to hear it from someone with credit to there name.