2007 Ryper Raceway 2.4 Hour Enduro
07-05-2007, 07:24 AM
#1
2007 Ryper Raceway 2.4 Hour Enduro
The teams are drawn as attached. If you can let me know your missing information ASAP please so that I can resolve any Frequency clashes and allocate the club transponders.
Looks like it's going to be another cracking race.
Looks like it's going to be another cracking race.
07-05-2007, 08:39 AM
#4
Tech Initiate
man am i racing with dave like the hobbie shop dave
might have spectrum so no freq for me
might have spectrum so no freq for me
07-05-2007, 06:47 PM
#8
I agree with the brushed motor only thing, Brushless motors are CLEARLY more efficient and use less power, leading to less battery drain and longer run times, an obvious advantage in an enduro, my understanding is that we want events like this to give new and experienced drivers an opportunity to race together.
Brushed motors keep it a level playing field, while still having some flexibility (if we wanted to get anal we could have control battery packs, no doubt your Brood matched cells will give you more run time than Johnny Novice and his Venom 3600's, so you already have an edge there!)
I don't think it's really fair of you to be bitching that you can't gain an advantage by running brushless in what is meant to be a fun event. (Is another trophy THAT important to you?)
Don't get me wrong, I was the first to run a stock brushless at Ryper, and am far from anti the brushless thing, and have every intention of going back to it one day, but even I can see in an enduro, it's a huge advantage, and a highly unfair one, at least until everyone out there is running one (or the vast majority).
If we allow brushless in an enduro at this point, whats next Lipo? Hell, you won't even need a battery change mate!
Last edited by nexxus; 07-05-2007 at 07:00 PM. Reason: Toning it down to keep people happy :)
07-06-2007, 01:00 AM
#9
I agree with the brushed motor only thing, Brushless motors are CLEARLY more efficient and use less power, leading to less battery drain and longer run times, an obvious advantage in an enduro, my understanding is that we want events like this to give new and experienced drivers an opportunity to race together.
If i were to race and i askd if i could race with your team, would you let me? (since majority of you have seen me drive)??
My answer would prolly not, coz u wna win....not lose....thats why i didnt enter...coz i drive like a turd on wheels!!!
540 Classic.....26th Position (last) =ME!!!
i dont think i would be much of an advantage on the race track...av. lap time 20 secs i think it was......ur av. lap time....17 prolly
my point xactly
wog
07-06-2007, 03:31 AM
#10
Let me ask you this, answer honestly here
If i were to race and i askd if i could race with your team, would you let me? (since majority of you have seen me drive)??
My answer would prolly not, coz u wna win....not lose....thats why i didnt enter...coz i drive like a turd on wheels!!!
540 Classic.....26th Position (last) =ME!!!
i dont think i would be much of an advantage on the race track...av. lap time 20 secs i think it was......ur av. lap time....17 prolly
my point xactly
wog
If i were to race and i askd if i could race with your team, would you let me? (since majority of you have seen me drive)??
My answer would prolly not, coz u wna win....not lose....thats why i didnt enter...coz i drive like a turd on wheels!!!
540 Classic.....26th Position (last) =ME!!!
i dont think i would be much of an advantage on the race track...av. lap time 20 secs i think it was......ur av. lap time....17 prolly
my point xactly
wog
Don't confuse poor maintenance with poor driving.
07-06-2007, 04:34 AM
#12
Let me ask you this, answer honestly here
If i were to race and i askd if i could race with your team, would you let me? (since majority of you have seen me drive)??
My answer would prolly not, coz u wna win....not lose....thats why i didnt enter...coz i drive like a turd on wheels!!!
540 Classic.....26th Position (last) =ME!!!
i dont think i would be much of an advantage on the race track...av. lap time 20 secs i think it was......ur av. lap time....17 prolly
my point xactly
wog
If i were to race and i askd if i could race with your team, would you let me? (since majority of you have seen me drive)??
My answer would prolly not, coz u wna win....not lose....thats why i didnt enter...coz i drive like a turd on wheels!!!
540 Classic.....26th Position (last) =ME!!!
i dont think i would be much of an advantage on the race track...av. lap time 20 secs i think it was......ur av. lap time....17 prolly
my point xactly
wog
Besides for the Enduro, each driver is rated and then split into 3 groups depending on skill level. Teams were drawn at random from the 3 groups.
07-06-2007, 04:41 AM
#13
I agree with the brushed motor only thing, Brushless motors are CLEARLY more efficient and use less power, leading to less battery drain and longer run times, an obvious advantage in an enduro, my understanding is that we want events like this to give new and experienced drivers an opportunity to race together.
Brushed motors keep it a level playing field, while still having some flexibility (if we wanted to get anal we could have control battery packs, no doubt your Brood matched cells will give you more run time than Johnny Novice and his Venom 3600's, so you already have an edge there!)
If we held a BRUSHLESS ONLY race meet, would people whine that they had to fork out cash for a brushless setup? Yes. In reality, those people probably wouldn't race at all. This is an outrageous comment, but it's on topic with your response...
Don't get me wrong, I was the first to run a stock brushless at Ryper, and am far from anti the brushless thing, and have every intention of going back to it one day, but even I can see in an enduro, it's a huge advantage, and a highly unfair one, at least until everyone out there is running one (or the vast majority).
I will be investing in four or five lipo pack's this year for sure. I'll just list my grandmaa on ebay first. Should fetch enough beanage from her sale to buy me some lipo goodness
I think you need to revise my post, and take it in as more of a giggle than a serious comment. I dont decide the rules or events, I merely commented that I'm going to have to shell out for another motor that I will use once then throw away. A $15 event becomes $50, real fast, and thats if you only burn up one motor, and if you run a sport tuned.
I guess you just took my post too seriously... your good at waving your wand around, perhaps you should ask for moderator status
07-06-2007, 04:50 AM
#14
I'll add one more thing in! hehehe... take this any way you want, but...
Brushless is BY FAR, WAY CHEAPER to race than 540 or stock.
My Brushless investment (yes, I'll even call it an investment) has seen through three touring cars, and several offroad cars, and is probably around 18 months old now (remember the system I bought off you Brad? still racing it!)
Zero maintenance of the system as yet. With the exception of buying a new cooling fan for the esc.
If I add up the cost of running 540, or stock, or both, it will double, tripple or even quadruple the cost of brushless in a years racing.
Remember 18 months ago a lot of mod guys were all "nah, brushless sucks, it will never replace brushed, rah rah rah".....
oh man.
I honestly believe that introducing brushless "stock" racing at club and state level will bring MORE racers to the class. While the initial spendage for a system might seem a little steep, like I said, it pays for itself in no time.
heck, perhaps at the next club meeting we can bring it up as a topic for conversation.
Did you know that a certain LiPo / Brushless racing class has been run under ROAR and if it goes well we know AARCMCC will adopt. (as AARCMCC generally walks in ROAR's steps)
really.... this is a discussion for another forum I'm just looking forward to the future of racing, so much happening, technology really is fast at the moment. Remember when you could count '540 size' brushless motor manufacturers on one hand?.... theres over 10 now! hehe
Brushless is BY FAR, WAY CHEAPER to race than 540 or stock.
My Brushless investment (yes, I'll even call it an investment) has seen through three touring cars, and several offroad cars, and is probably around 18 months old now (remember the system I bought off you Brad? still racing it!)
Zero maintenance of the system as yet. With the exception of buying a new cooling fan for the esc.
If I add up the cost of running 540, or stock, or both, it will double, tripple or even quadruple the cost of brushless in a years racing.
Remember 18 months ago a lot of mod guys were all "nah, brushless sucks, it will never replace brushed, rah rah rah".....
oh man.I honestly believe that introducing brushless "stock" racing at club and state level will bring MORE racers to the class. While the initial spendage for a system might seem a little steep, like I said, it pays for itself in no time.
heck, perhaps at the next club meeting we can bring it up as a topic for conversation.
Did you know that a certain LiPo / Brushless racing class has been run under ROAR and if it goes well we know AARCMCC will adopt. (as AARCMCC generally walks in ROAR's steps)
really.... this is a discussion for another forum
I'm just looking forward to the future of racing, so much happening, technology really is fast at the moment. Remember when you could count '540 size' brushless motor manufacturers on one hand?.... theres over 10 now! hehe
07-06-2007, 05:09 AM
#15
Gotta hand it to Nexus, he sure keeps these forums interesting 
Also I vote the "team worth watching" at the enduro to be #4
(but maybe not for the on-track performance)
Also I vote the "team worth watching" at the enduro to be #4
(but maybe not for the on-track performance)