well my thoughts i think that a enduro should be only one car
the whole ideal of a enduro is to test how good the car is that
you are driving and also test the motor and with limited Tyre change
this way it will show how well you can tune your car not just the driving
with the way this is going we all know the people that will win

just my bit
cheers
tony

I’ve spent last week in Mexico; and have had very little time to concentrate on anything but the Nats. We only got back late last night after a long drive from Melbourne, and its only now that now that we have time seriously state our position about changes. Consequently; I must apologise if I haven’t made myself clear, but team “Max Force Invincibles” is not accepting the changes. We are withdrawing from the event, and I’ve just told Mick not fly to Brissie for the event.

Team “Max Force Invincibles” expect a full refund of our entry fees from the club. We are fully aware that we signed up for a no refund condition, but the new rules are not what we paid to race under.

Kindest regards,
Lars.

how true + 1

Lars that won't be a problem the club will refund you in full as this is not what you signed up for and if anyone else wants a refund that will not be a problem either.

Rex
Acting President.

Well said tony!

Thanks Rex; Mick has cancelled his booking to fly to Brisbane now. It's all right for anyone to know now that we pulled out, but our strategy was to run TG engines to reduce tire wear with hard tires. We believe that we would have avoided tire change penalties with enough foam to do 1.5 hour in each car running the smaller engines, and that was what we had prepared for.

Kindest regards,
Lars.

Hello Drivers

Please note that we require the final list of nominated teams no later than this Thursday. We need the Team Name, the people in the team and the driving order together with your transponder numbers.

We understand that it is difficult to keep everyone happy all of the time and expect that you understand this too.

However, please remember that the rules have not been changed. The committee felt that some of the penalties were very harsh.

Upon further discussions today, the following amendments to the rules have been made:

New Set of Tyres will incur 20 lap penalty
Engine Change before, during or after qualifying will incur 35 lap penalty

The rules have been attached for your convenience.

See you on Sunday

Questions about the new rules posted???

Tyres

If a Driver has the Wrong Set of Allocated tyres on his/her car when Scrutinized a 5 lap Penalties applies.
If a Driver needs a new set of Tire’s - 20 lap penalties applies.

If I put on a new set and get caught I only get 5 Laps but if I ask I get 20 laps - Guess what I would do?

Another:
Tyre Type – Open (5 sets tyres between both drivers)

Where did the extra 2 sets come from?? 1(qualifying) +1(car Race) +1(other car race)=3 not 5 ??

Whats the penalty for mixing and matching tires? Isn't using qualifying tires not supposed to be 20 laps as well?

I see a lot of loop holes !!!

Hi Monkey Nutz

Thank you for bringing these to our attention. The rules have been amended accordingly.
South East Queensland 3hr Enduro v4.pdf

While I have a lot of RC buddies that race at Bayside and completely respect the rights of a club to hold the event I am troubled by this. I dont feel it's a matter of how many tyres or the rules, it's more that the endurance format and nitro racing on foam tyres doesn't gel with my experience racing pro tourers.

Firstly, a pro tourer is geared to a set diameter of tyre, wearing more at the rear than the front would mean that the belt drive systems will incur loads that will eventually damage the car.

In addition, excessive tyre diameter changes impacts heavily on gearing and its not exactly good for an engine or clutch. Add to it the length of time on track without inspection and it's highly likely screws and grubs will come loose and more damage is done to the cars and the pockets.

While it's none of my business to tell people what to do, I trust that any newcomers know of the damage that will be caused by engaging in this type of format without a having a good knowledge of the effect it will have on their cars. I've just come from the national titles and hope Peter and Brock dont take their new MTX5 / Capricor Enginen and use an old chassis and engine.

I feel bad about voicing my opinion regarding this but feel that experienced racers may be leading less experienced drivers into a mine field of costs outside the issue pertaining to the tyre ruling.

I hope this doesnt stir the issue or deter people from the event and trust all drivers have a serious think about their strategy to maintain their cars, ensure someone in their team has a tyre truer or has the sense to sacrifice a few laps to ensure their cars are setup correctly for the duration.

After all, it's a race in an Enduro format, not a demolition derby. Drive easy and at all times seriously consider the golden rule of racing.

Regards,

h

No hassle .... glad it is sorted.

It's completely irrelevant to make a case of whether it's rules or penalities that have been changed. It's a significant change, that favours teams who wants to use higher powered engines, and penalises teams with a different strategy.

Our team had always thought of this race as a challenge of both reliability and strategy; with strategy a fundamental component, and it was presented as such by the club president when the club promoted the event earlier in the year. The changes will allow the speedy teams to dominate this race, and any other strategy will only work if all the speedsters have bad luck with their reliability.

It's probably true that teams who wanted this to be a test of speed may have had concerns about the penalties for tire wear; but that was the intention, and rules were deliberately designed to make it a test of which strategy would work best originally.

Kindest regards,
Lars.
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It appears the problem is the 20 lap penalty of tyres that the pro tourers probably take. if they average a 20 sec lap they will loose around 7min of their 30 minute driving stint A Gas tourer will be doing around a second slower. The real question is over the 90min race alocation for that car, can it catch the TG, while also doing a lot more pit stops for fuel. My monney,s still on the TG. So lets stop the handbag fighting and get it on. Ps Good luck to all drivers and may the best Serpent win lol.

hhahahah

oh cause unless you can get a pro tourer to go the distance on 1 set of tyres and 7.5 on a tank of fuel and that is the chalenge ... and hear hear to all the crap talk lets race

Good to see that you guys are over the little disagreements.all I can say is racing is going to be full on this weekend so let's race.well in my case I'm there to pin you gas dudes lol