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01-12-2009, 05:41 PM
#3901
I think what Tire Chunker was trying to get at and someone else reinforced above, was that the 21.5 motor lipo combo makes everything else obsolete, if one of the other options was even close, someone would have run it, even if it's more "work" or tuning to do so... Everyone was running that cause it's the fastest, not cause of the "easyness" of Lipo....
01-12-2009, 06:36 PM
#3903
I think what Tire Chunker was trying to get at and someone else reinforced above, was that the 21.5 motor lipo combo makes everything else obsolete, if one of the other options was even close, someone would have run it, even if it's more "work" or tuning to do so... Everyone was running that cause it's the fastest, not cause of the "easyness" of Lipo....
BTW I have 2 brand new 4600 packs for my Slash's, got them at the end of Sep, take good care of them and don't abuse them, a week ago a cell vented.
Buying lipos for the Slashs too.
Last edited by TwoTone; 01-12-2009 at 07:27 PM.
01-12-2009, 07:19 PM
#3904
Thanks for the kind words Doug, hopefully we'll see you Saturday for the Hurricane race, if not......definately in April for the T/A Nats. 
As far as the width question goes, this weekend was probally the highest traction you'll ever find on carpet. I actually narrowed my car to tuck the tires farther under the body and make the suspension react quicker and more consistantly. By Sunday the traction was insane, but I was able to fight it with shock oil/shock positioning.
I believe everyone used the 21.5/lipo combo for the Novak race. I'm positive everyone in the top 10 did. In my opinion, it's not that one is faster/slower that the other....I think everyone has had enough of cycling batteries and risking exploding one in the pits. Sunday for example, would have taken at least four top quality 4-cell packs alone(one for practice and one for each main). With lipo, I used the same battery all day/every day and never had to worry about it.
Chassis wise I'm running a older original TA05R with the stock plastic chassis, Matt is running a TA05-IFSR. We both used the HPI Camaro bodies but the top 10 was a good mix of Camaro's, 'Cuda's, and Mustangs.
As far as the width question goes, this weekend was probally the highest traction you'll ever find on carpet. I actually narrowed my car to tuck the tires farther under the body and make the suspension react quicker and more consistantly. By Sunday the traction was insane, but I was able to fight it with shock oil/shock positioning.
I believe everyone used the 21.5/lipo combo for the Novak race. I'm positive everyone in the top 10 did. In my opinion, it's not that one is faster/slower that the other....I think everyone has had enough of cycling batteries and risking exploding one in the pits. Sunday for example, would have taken at least four top quality 4-cell packs alone(one for practice and one for each main). With lipo, I used the same battery all day/every day and never had to worry about it.
Chassis wise I'm running a older original TA05R with the stock plastic chassis, Matt is running a TA05-IFSR. We both used the HPI Camaro bodies but the top 10 was a good mix of Camaro's, 'Cuda's, and Mustangs.
Last edited by Racer X79; 01-12-2009 at 07:54 PM.
01-12-2009, 07:48 PM
#3905
Thanks for the kind words Doug, hopefully we'll see you Saturday, if not definately in April.
As far as the width question goes, this weekend was probally the highest traction you'll ever find on carpet. I actually narrowed my car to tuck the tires farther under the body and make the suspension react quicker and more consistantly. By Sunday the traction was insane, but I was able to fight it with shock oil/shock positioning.
I believe everyone used the 21.5/lipo combo for the Novak race. I'm positive everyone in the top 10 did. In my opinion, it's not that one is faster/slower that the other....I think everyone has had enough of cycling batteries and risking exploding one in the pits. Sunday for example, would have taken at least four top quality 4-cell packs alone(one for practice and one for each main). With lipo, I used the same battery all day/every day and never had to worry about it.
Chassis wise I'm running a older original TA05R with the stock plastic chassis, Matt is running a TA05-IFSR. We both used the HPI Camaro bodies but the top 10 was a good mix of Camaro's, 'Cuda's, and Mustangs.
As far as the width question goes, this weekend was probally the highest traction you'll ever find on carpet. I actually narrowed my car to tuck the tires farther under the body and make the suspension react quicker and more consistantly. By Sunday the traction was insane, but I was able to fight it with shock oil/shock positioning.
I believe everyone used the 21.5/lipo combo for the Novak race. I'm positive everyone in the top 10 did. In my opinion, it's not that one is faster/slower that the other....I think everyone has had enough of cycling batteries and risking exploding one in the pits. Sunday for example, would have taken at least four top quality 4-cell packs alone(one for practice and one for each main). With lipo, I used the same battery all day/every day and never had to worry about it.
Chassis wise I'm running a older original TA05R with the stock plastic chassis, Matt is running a TA05-IFSR. We both used the HPI Camaro bodies but the top 10 was a good mix of Camaro's, 'Cuda's, and Mustangs.
01-12-2009, 08:26 PM
#3906
So now my question is this. What exactly does the "Spirit of VTA" mean?
This is the last paragraph of the official rules.......
MOST IMPORTANTLY: If it's not in the rules, and does not encompass the spirit of slower, controlled racing with realistic looking cars, consider it illegal. This is called the "Spirit of VTA" Rule. The class is based on slower, equal playing field competition with less traction, minimal aerodynamic aids and mostly older carpet racing technology. The final objective is close, fair, wheel-to-wheel racing for all. All decisions of the race promoter or track owner are final.
Slower.........Equal playing field and OLDER racing TECHNOLOGY are really not being applied to this class. It's been said more than once in here that the NEW technology is faster than the old. I thought that the whole idea from this class was to be slower.
Sure not trying to get everyones blood pressure rising here...........just trying to find out how this is a slower and equal playing field in the "Spirit of VTA"
This is the last paragraph of the official rules.......
MOST IMPORTANTLY: If it's not in the rules, and does not encompass the spirit of slower, controlled racing with realistic looking cars, consider it illegal. This is called the "Spirit of VTA" Rule. The class is based on slower, equal playing field competition with less traction, minimal aerodynamic aids and mostly older carpet racing technology. The final objective is close, fair, wheel-to-wheel racing for all. All decisions of the race promoter or track owner are final.
Slower.........Equal playing field and OLDER racing TECHNOLOGY are really not being applied to this class. It's been said more than once in here that the NEW technology is faster than the old. I thought that the whole idea from this class was to be slower.
Sure not trying to get everyones blood pressure rising here...........just trying to find out how this is a slower and equal playing field in the "Spirit of VTA"
01-12-2009, 08:49 PM
#3908
This class is slow enough that I have to make sure my setup is perfect to run well. To be competitive I have to take time to practice and gear for the track. I run 21.5/lipo because I don't want to have to cut a com or change brushes or discharge and charge cells between rounds. This isn't the only class I run. I typically set up 2 cars for 2 classes as I have a 10 year old that likes to race, but isn't exactly a mechanic yet (I can wish anyway). Its bad enough trying to get lipos back on chargers and run back out to marshal. I still have to deal with cleaning tires and checking the glue beads and making sure my camber and toe are correct. Most times its still a scramble up to the line for one class or the other. Most times I don't even get to watch my son race unless he's in it with me. To anyone who runs 27t, I know your car can and will be faster. To the 17.5 guys, enjoy the challenge as I know the better drivers can pull it off. If my britches get so big that I don't see the fun in this class, I hope someone gives me a reality check.
01-12-2009, 09:02 PM
#3909
does anybody know if the VTA rules will ever allow any roar approved 21.5 B/L motor as they do with the 17.5?? I know that when the VTA was probably started that novak was the only one to have a 21.5 available.. just wondering??
.... He doesnt have much hair these days to pull. 
01-13-2009, 04:42 AM
#3913
To everyone that doesn't understand and doesn't know the history of this motor: What most people don't get and SW Tour has brought up many times in various threads is that the 21.5 was created solely as an oval motor for those not wanting to set land speed records. It was found a viable alternative to what was on the market and the other two motors used by this spec. The Novak 21.5 was ADOPTED by USVTA and added to our spec rules set. Pretty simple.
01-13-2009, 05:25 AM
#3915
So now my question is this. What exactly does the "Spirit of VTA" mean?
This is the last paragraph of the official rules.......
MOST IMPORTANTLY: If it's not in the rules, and does not encompass the spirit of slower, controlled racing with realistic looking cars, consider it illegal. This is called the "Spirit of VTA" Rule. The class is based on slower, equal playing field competition with less traction, minimal aerodynamic aids and mostly older carpet racing technology. The final objective is close, fair, wheel-to-wheel racing for all. All decisions of the race promoter or track owner are final.
Slower.........Equal playing field and OLDER racing TECHNOLOGY are really not being applied to this class. It's been said more than once in here that the NEW technology is faster than the old. I thought that the whole idea from this class was to be slower.
Sure not trying to get everyones blood pressure rising here...........just trying to find out how this is a slower and equal playing field in the "Spirit of VTA"
This is the last paragraph of the official rules.......
MOST IMPORTANTLY: If it's not in the rules, and does not encompass the spirit of slower, controlled racing with realistic looking cars, consider it illegal. This is called the "Spirit of VTA" Rule. The class is based on slower, equal playing field competition with less traction, minimal aerodynamic aids and mostly older carpet racing technology. The final objective is close, fair, wheel-to-wheel racing for all. All decisions of the race promoter or track owner are final.
Slower.........Equal playing field and OLDER racing TECHNOLOGY are really not being applied to this class. It's been said more than once in here that the NEW technology is faster than the old. I thought that the whole idea from this class was to be slower.
Sure not trying to get everyones blood pressure rising here...........just trying to find out how this is a slower and equal playing field in the "Spirit of VTA"
The 'Spirit of VTA' is in the slower cars, I've watched the other classes, can't imagine trying to race with those guys after so many years off.
The 'Spirit of VTA' is allowing new Lipo/Brushless combo that is equl to older tech, but allows more people to be competitve for a lot less money. 27t/NiMh can be faster tha 21.5/lipo but you have to work for it.
USVTA wouldn't be the cheap class it is if it were just 27t/NiMh- that would require, motor lathe, Dyno, race packs blah blah- been there no thanks, but it's not to say if you still have all that equipment you can't compete- that's plainly not true.