Hot Bodies Cyclone
05-29-2007, 04:41 PM
#8536
G'day cyclone fans...
I'm looking for the tech reason why we use one way centre....
I run a andy moore on rubber, on a sotra tight asphalt track with a one way fnt diff, and only use 20% drag brake on 3 corners ther rest i can roll off power.and i have aggressive driving style....if i try any more brake than that, yep arss end comes round.
Question should i take centre one way out, or leave in.and why ????
PS always looking for more turn in, any recomndations for this set up...
Now i have a good chasie set up, and lovin my cyclone, but lookin for more...
CHEERS.
I'm looking for the tech reason why we use one way centre....
I run a andy moore on rubber, on a sotra tight asphalt track with a one way fnt diff, and only use 20% drag brake on 3 corners ther rest i can roll off power.and i have aggressive driving style....if i try any more brake than that, yep arss end comes round.
Question should i take centre one way out, or leave in.and why ????
PS always looking for more turn in, any recomndations for this set up...
Now i have a good chasie set up, and lovin my cyclone, but lookin for more...
CHEERS.
05-29-2007, 08:18 PM
#8537
Hi ROV
I asked this same question on the TRF thread about 8 months ago and Bender was able to give me some great advice, I was amazed in the difference that the car handled between changes.
Here is what Bender said
When you have both the centre and front one-ways in, you get maximum turn-in from the car, plus maximum drive train efficiency, however brakes are practically non-existant - ie: you'll spin the rear round as soon as you touch them.
If you use a spool up front them you should always run the locked centre pulley. If you run a spool with the centre one-way pulley then you'll have no brakes, therefore losing all the advantage of running a spool in the first place.
If you run a diff up front you should also run the locked centre pulley - because at least you have brakes. If you run a front diff with a centre one-way then again you have no braking, plus you'll also have poor mid/exit corner steering.
In summary, my recommendations on combination are:
Front one-way with centre one-way : maximum turn in + efficiency + speed - no good if you need brakes or can't drive smoothly.
Front one-way with locked centre pulley: a bit less turn-in than above but otherwise similar. When I ran the MSX I always used both one-ways together.
Front spool with centre locked pulley : maximum mid/exit corner steering, strong brakes, but poor efficiency and hard on the drivetrain components.
Front diff with centre locked pulley: good brakes, easier to drive, but generally pretty poor steering everywhere - easiest on the car in terms of drivetrain wear.
Now this guy know's his stuff, and I have used it all.
I used this on my MRE/MSX and now my Cyclone,
As far as Turn in goes, I added 1.5 shims under my pivot blocks and what a difference it made, do you use them at all?
Hope this helps
Addam
I asked this same question on the TRF thread about 8 months ago and Bender was able to give me some great advice, I was amazed in the difference that the car handled between changes.
Here is what Bender said
When you have both the centre and front one-ways in, you get maximum turn-in from the car, plus maximum drive train efficiency, however brakes are practically non-existant - ie: you'll spin the rear round as soon as you touch them.
If you use a spool up front them you should always run the locked centre pulley. If you run a spool with the centre one-way pulley then you'll have no brakes, therefore losing all the advantage of running a spool in the first place.
If you run a diff up front you should also run the locked centre pulley - because at least you have brakes. If you run a front diff with a centre one-way then again you have no braking, plus you'll also have poor mid/exit corner steering.
In summary, my recommendations on combination are:
Front one-way with centre one-way : maximum turn in + efficiency + speed - no good if you need brakes or can't drive smoothly.
Front one-way with locked centre pulley: a bit less turn-in than above but otherwise similar. When I ran the MSX I always used both one-ways together.
Front spool with centre locked pulley : maximum mid/exit corner steering, strong brakes, but poor efficiency and hard on the drivetrain components.
Front diff with centre locked pulley: good brakes, easier to drive, but generally pretty poor steering everywhere - easiest on the car in terms of drivetrain wear.
Now this guy know's his stuff, and I have used it all.
I used this on my MRE/MSX and now my Cyclone,
As far as Turn in goes, I added 1.5 shims under my pivot blocks and what a difference it made, do you use them at all?
Hope this helps
Addam
05-30-2007, 01:53 AM
#8538
Hi Cyclone owners:
I'm looking for the sway bars holders of the Cyclone, as they have a set-screw on them and are similar to the ones on the 415MSX (that doesn't and thus the sway bar moves a lot within the free space, specially if they are the thin ones)... can someone provide me the ref. number of them (or from the plastic tree that have them in)??
Thanks a lot,
al
I'm looking for the sway bars holders of the Cyclone, as they have a set-screw on them and are similar to the ones on the 415MSX (that doesn't and thus the sway bar moves a lot within the free space, specially if they are the thin ones)... can someone provide me the ref. number of them (or from the plastic tree that have them in)??
Thanks a lot,
al
05-30-2007, 03:03 AM
#8539
Originally Posted by Wing Chun
Hi Barber
I sent you a few, 2 of them are from Simon Feigl that he sent me. The one for low grip bumpy is the one I used so thank you Simon
It is one of the best alround setups I have ever used on any car that I have raced.
Here is a link to some of Simons setups
http://www.rcracer.com.au/forum/view...4511&start=220
Addam
I sent you a few, 2 of them are from Simon Feigl that he sent me. The one for low grip bumpy is the one I used so thank you Simon
It is one of the best alround setups I have ever used on any car that I have raced.
Here is a link to some of Simons setups
http://www.rcracer.com.au/forum/view...4511&start=220
Addam
05-30-2007, 04:53 AM
#8540
Originally Posted by rampal
Hi Cyclone owners:
I'm looking for the sway bars holders of the Cyclone, as they have a set-screw on them and are similar to the ones on the 415MSX (that doesn't and thus the sway bar moves a lot within the free space, specially if they are the thin ones)... can someone provide me the ref. number of them (or from the plastic tree that have them in)??
Thanks a lot,
al
I'm looking for the sway bars holders of the Cyclone, as they have a set-screw on them and are similar to the ones on the 415MSX (that doesn't and thus the sway bar moves a lot within the free space, specially if they are the thin ones)... can someone provide me the ref. number of them (or from the plastic tree that have them in)??
Thanks a lot,
al
It probably is a rack of plastic parts since the parts (plastic piece in front and behind the swaybar) has the numbers '1' and '2' standing next to it.
05-30-2007, 12:04 PM
#8543
Originally Posted by Wing Chun
As far as Turn in goes, I added 1.5 shims under my pivot blocks and what a difference it made, do you use them at all?
Hope this helps
Addam
Hope this helps
Addam
05-30-2007, 02:08 PM
#8544
Originally Posted by Thraex
The partnumber in the manual is: 70741.
It probably is a rack of plastic parts since the parts (plastic piece in front and behind the swaybar) has the numbers '1' and '2' standing next to it.
It probably is a rack of plastic parts since the parts (plastic piece in front and behind the swaybar) has the numbers '1' and '2' standing next to it.
cheers,
al
05-30-2007, 07:00 PM
#8545
servo arm touching drive belt
Am I the only one with my cyclone drive belt touching the servo arm by the screw 
wat about the shocks having to much play by the purple shock end ball.
cheers robert
wat about the shocks having to much play by the purple shock end ball.
cheers robert
05-30-2007, 07:33 PM
#8548
Originally Posted by senna555
Will version 1 heavy duty steel dogbones work with version 3 (moorespeed style) spool work together?
Thanks
Thanks
05-30-2007, 07:40 PM
#8550
Originally Posted by g_mabry
Does anyone have any experience with a 3racing spool? Or any other ideas for a spool with replaceable drive cups. I'm getting tired of waiting for the WCE spool to be in stock anywhere.