Tamiya TRF418
#1816
Simmi, is this not your setup sheet:
http://www.petitrc.com/reglages/tami...urg2014030809/
It also specifies a split XC block (for the front-rear).
http://www.petitrc.com/reglages/tami...urg2014030809/
It also specifies a split XC block (for the front-rear).
#1817
#1818
I´m a Little confused because in the Manual the split Blocks is discribed as Ca and Cb mean C?
Can you simply swap the sides of the split block and get XA or A and XC or C?
Can you simply swap the sides of the split block and get XA or A and XC or C?
#1819
I'm not concerned with those numbers, and you can see in the manual, that they are depicted with the 1C 1XC marking.
And yes, you swap them to get either C or XC. That was what was confusing me.
I have now learned, that if the setup sheet, like Marc's, specifies separate B blocks for the front-rear, you take the "1B 1XB" blocks and place them so that the "1B" is closest to the center of the chassis.
In Marc's setup, he specifies separate XC blocks for the rear-front, you take the "1C 1XCB" blocks and place them so that the "1XC" is closest to the center of the chassis.
The B or the BX simply specifies in which direction the separate "B" blocks are required to be facing.
#1820
Tech Master
iTrader: (12)
Juat taking a glance at jilles setup from ets-luxembourg. Noticed he went back to old style droop measurement. Only thing i am still curious about is if he is running the new ball studs? And if he is does he include that +1 in his sheet or is it that amount of shims u run total
so if it says 2.5mm does that mean old ball stud with 2.5, new ball stud with 1.5 +1. Or new ball stud with 2.5 + 1 (3.5 in total).
so if it says 2.5mm does that mean old ball stud with 2.5, new ball stud with 1.5 +1. Or new ball stud with 2.5 + 1 (3.5 in total).
#1822
@Salkin
Thanks for the explanation, drove since two years 417-418 and have always fitted the blocks the wrong way, so that always other results came out
I must say that my swapped blocks were not as bad. Last time I drive in Front B-XB and in Rear A-D. Good Grip and fast time.
Now it's time to go out and Win with the new experience
Shame on me a bit
Done my Setup ...
Thanks for the explanation, drove since two years 417-418 and have always fitted the blocks the wrong way, so that always other results came out
I must say that my swapped blocks were not as bad. Last time I drive in Front B-XB and in Rear A-D. Good Grip and fast time.
Now it's time to go out and Win with the new experience
Shame on me a bit
Done my Setup ...
#1823
@Salkin
Thanks for the explanation, drove since two years 417-418 and have always fitted the blocks the wrong way, so that always other results came out
I must say that my swapped blocks were not as bad. Last time I drive in Front B-XB and in Rear A-D. Good Grip and fast time.
Now it's time to go out and Win with the new experience
Shame on me a bit
Done my Setup ...
Thanks for the explanation, drove since two years 417-418 and have always fitted the blocks the wrong way, so that always other results came out
I must say that my swapped blocks were not as bad. Last time I drive in Front B-XB and in Rear A-D. Good Grip and fast time.
Now it's time to go out and Win with the new experience
Shame on me a bit
Done my Setup ...
#1825
Juat taking a glance at jilles setup from ets-luxembourg. Noticed he went back to old style droop measurement. Only thing i am still curious about is if he is running the new ball studs? And if he is does he include that +1 in his sheet or is it that amount of shims u run total
so if it says 2.5mm does that mean old ball stud with 2.5, new ball stud with 1.5 +1. Or new ball stud with 2.5 + 1 (3.5 in total).
so if it says 2.5mm does that mean old ball stud with 2.5, new ball stud with 1.5 +1. Or new ball stud with 2.5 + 1 (3.5 in total).
So you need to subtract 1mm from the numbers on his sheets if using the new ones.
#1829
Tech Apprentice
Setup question
Hi.
I noticed that sometimes the basic difference in setups are the shims under the ball studs under the camber links.
What effect does the following have in the handling of the car?
1. Front - increase no. of shims under the ball stud
2. Rear - increase no. of shims under the ball stud
3. Front - shorten the camber link length
4. Rear - shorten the camber link length
Thanks.
I noticed that sometimes the basic difference in setups are the shims under the ball studs under the camber links.
What effect does the following have in the handling of the car?
1. Front - increase no. of shims under the ball stud
2. Rear - increase no. of shims under the ball stud
3. Front - shorten the camber link length
4. Rear - shorten the camber link length
Thanks.
#1830
Tech Apprentice
@ bosschick:
1. Increased shims --> lowered rollcenter on the front --> more steering, less rear grip, slightly more rollangle
2. lowered rollcenter rear --> more rear grip, less front grip(steering)
3 and 4:
Not that easy to answer: While pitching (braking or full acceleration) the rollcenter height of the respective axle moves up or down MORE if the camber link is shorter!
To break it down, as much as possible: With short links the car should understeer more on corner exit and oversteer more while braking!
But shorter links result also in more camber gain. In my opinion the upper effects are bigger (especially balance wise)
1. Increased shims --> lowered rollcenter on the front --> more steering, less rear grip, slightly more rollangle
2. lowered rollcenter rear --> more rear grip, less front grip(steering)
3 and 4:
Not that easy to answer: While pitching (braking or full acceleration) the rollcenter height of the respective axle moves up or down MORE if the camber link is shorter!
To break it down, as much as possible: With short links the car should understeer more on corner exit and oversteer more while braking!
But shorter links result also in more camber gain. In my opinion the upper effects are bigger (especially balance wise)