333LikesXray XB2 2WD Buggy Thread
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10-13-2016, 02:18 PM
#3842
10-13-2016, 06:50 PM
#3843
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (15)
We are having great success with the 3 gear CE even in slippery wet conditions running ball diff, hard and graphite composites in the front and medium in the rear.
Xray carbon chassis also adds quite a bit of traction on low to medium.
Can be a bit nervous to drive if grip is too high though.
Bent
Xray carbon chassis also adds quite a bit of traction on low to medium.
Can be a bit nervous to drive if grip is too high though.
Bent
the hard composites are a grahite blend correct?
im going to try running hard in front and medium in the rear like you said.
would you recommend hard arms in the front too?
also would you recommend using medium or hard side guards for med-high bite clay?
i plan on using the hard lower front kick up plate, with the medium top deck to provide some flex, but still keep things rigid and predictable.
i think if i get my plastics right this time and play around with camber, toe, and roll center...i will be successful with the xray on clay.
i just hope it's enough to compete with the tlr and ae guys, those cars seem easier to hook up on clay, but i loved the way my xb2 drove and steered, those other buggies have rear traction but dont drive as smooth or precise and def dont steer as well...
10-13-2016, 07:30 PM
#3844
If you're not getting adequate trsction why wouldn't you add more flex? Curious
yeah, i won't need the graphite chassis.
the hard composites are a grahite blend correct?
im going to try running hard in front and medium in the rear like you said.
would you recommend hard arms in the front too?
also would you recommend using medium or hard side guards for med-high bite clay?
i plan on using the hard lower front kick up plate, with the medium top deck to provide some flex, but still keep things rigid and predictable.
i think if i get my plastics right this time and play around with camber, toe, and roll center...i will be successful with the xray on clay.
i just hope it's enough to compete with the tlr and ae guys, those cars seem easier to hook up on clay, but i loved the way my xb2 drove and steered, those other buggies have rear traction but dont drive as smooth or precise and def dont steer as well...
the hard composites are a grahite blend correct?
im going to try running hard in front and medium in the rear like you said.
would you recommend hard arms in the front too?
also would you recommend using medium or hard side guards for med-high bite clay?
i plan on using the hard lower front kick up plate, with the medium top deck to provide some flex, but still keep things rigid and predictable.
i think if i get my plastics right this time and play around with camber, toe, and roll center...i will be successful with the xray on clay.
i just hope it's enough to compete with the tlr and ae guys, those cars seem easier to hook up on clay, but i loved the way my xb2 drove and steered, those other buggies have rear traction but dont drive as smooth or precise and def dont steer as well...
10-13-2016, 07:32 PM
#3845
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (15)
i was into racing 1/8 so i just sold it.
i think i can get the traction im after without the carbon chassis. i dont like the way carbon chassis drives, im on med-high bite clay in which we typically run slicks, but sometimes if the track is new or if it's dusty we run electrons. so my surface does not call for the carbon chassis.
10-14-2016, 02:05 AM
#3846
So medium arms, uprights etc. will be optional on the '17 XB2 CE.
Ours where obviously pre-production kits with everything included even though they where labeled like the others.
Sorry about that
Bent
10-14-2016, 02:46 AM
#3847
Is there any list of parts needed from XB-2 2016DE to XB-2 2017CE? Mainly for what is needed in laydown gearbox, etc to get" XB-2 Dirpet edition" (Dirt edition with laydown gear box)
10-14-2016, 03:00 AM
#3848
To go 3 gear you obviously choose the 3 gear parts instead of the 4 gear parts
Parts needed to go from 4 gear CE to 3 gear CE setup:
Gearbox #323014
Motorplate #324012
36T idler gear #324236
Brace for waterfall #324031
Bent
10-14-2016, 05:33 AM
#3849
would you recommend hard arms in the front too?
also would you recommend using medium or hard side guards for med-high bite clay?
i plan on using the hard lower front kick up plate, with the medium top deck to provide some flex, but still keep things rigid and predictable.
i think if i get my plastics right this time and play around with camber, toe, and roll center...i will be successful with the xray on clay.
i just hope it's enough to compete with the tlr and ae guys, those cars seem easier to hook up on clay, but i loved the way my xb2 drove and steered, those other buggies have rear traction but dont drive as smooth or precise and def dont steer as well...
also would you recommend using medium or hard side guards for med-high bite clay?
i plan on using the hard lower front kick up plate, with the medium top deck to provide some flex, but still keep things rigid and predictable.
i think if i get my plastics right this time and play around with camber, toe, and roll center...i will be successful with the xray on clay.
i just hope it's enough to compete with the tlr and ae guys, those cars seem easier to hook up on clay, but i loved the way my xb2 drove and steered, those other buggies have rear traction but dont drive as smooth or precise and def dont steer as well...
I've found other springs work a lot better on clay, something like the AE Gray front and White or Green rear.
I run graphite arms on clay and everything else hard, but that's mostly to make the car more stable since my home track is high bite and bumpy. The hard parts don't have carbon in them, they're just super stiff.
A ball diff will make a big difference on lower bite clay, but I try to run the gear diff as soon as traction will allow. The Xray gear diff is far smoother than a AE or TLR gear diff so you can run it in a lot of conditions that you wouldn't run it in other cars.
10-14-2016, 05:37 AM
#3850
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (15)
Update; a friend of mine got his production kit today and it actually only comes with hard parts now for carpet use.
So medium arms, uprights etc. will be optional on the '17 XB2 CE.
Ours where obviously pre-production kits with everything included even though they where labeled like the others.
Sorry about that
Bent
So medium arms, uprights etc. will be optional on the '17 XB2 CE.
Ours where obviously pre-production kits with everything included even though they where labeled like the others.
Sorry about that
Bent
damn what a bummer, i should have kept my 16 -_-
i thought that was a great idea by xray to include both because the CE edition was so versatile with the included plastics. plus for the price of the kit it made sense. unless they reduced the price of the kit for this release...wouldn't make much sense for xray to include less value in the newer release when all other companies are including more and more value.
i just added up the cost of the parts. so for the user they're removing over $100 in value when buying the parts individually, I hope to see some of that come out of the price. if not that's just stupid.
10-14-2016, 05:55 AM
#3851
not your mistake, thanks for letting me know at least.
damn what a bummer, i should have kept my 16 -_-
i thought that was a great idea by xray to include both because the CE edition was so versatile with the included plastics. plus for the price of the kit it made sense. unless they reduced the price of the kit for this release...wouldn't make much sense for xray to include less value in the newer release when all other companies are including more and more value.
i just added up the cost of the parts. so for the user they're removing over $100 in value when buying the parts individually, I hope to see some of that come out of the price. if not that's just stupid.
damn what a bummer, i should have kept my 16 -_-
i thought that was a great idea by xray to include both because the CE edition was so versatile with the included plastics. plus for the price of the kit it made sense. unless they reduced the price of the kit for this release...wouldn't make much sense for xray to include less value in the newer release when all other companies are including more and more value.
i just added up the cost of the parts. so for the user they're removing over $100 in value when buying the parts individually, I hope to see some of that come out of the price. if not that's just stupid.
They have basically decided to include the parts we usually run on carpet and astro so you could say that with the new 3 gear gearbox and more carpet specific parts it's become a "true Carpet Edition".
We usually only run Medium parts in the rear (arms, uprights and camber link mount) when traction is reduced due to moisture or temperature.
So it's not like you buy all the medium parts as option to run on different traction levels
But yeah I agree the first version with both set of parts was great value
Bent
10-14-2016, 06:06 AM
#3852
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (15)
Price has stayed the same over here at least.
They have basically decided to include the parts we usually run on carpet and astro so you could say that with the new 3 gear gearbox and more carpet specific parts it's become a "true Carpet Edition".
We usually only run Medium parts in the rear (arms, uprights and camber link mount) when traction is reduced due to moisture or temperature.
So it's not like you buy all the medium parts as option to run on different traction levels
But yeah I agree the first version with both set of parts was great value
Bent
They have basically decided to include the parts we usually run on carpet and astro so you could say that with the new 3 gear gearbox and more carpet specific parts it's become a "true Carpet Edition".
We usually only run Medium parts in the rear (arms, uprights and camber link mount) when traction is reduced due to moisture or temperature.
So it's not like you buy all the medium parts as option to run on different traction levels
But yeah I agree the first version with both set of parts was great value
Bent
no one really only runs on loose dirt or carpet. i definitely run on carpet myself, but i also run on indoor clay 50/50. most of us here on the forums and in the states run on indoor clay, so now we're all stuck with buying a car designed for one end of the spectrum and we have to buy more parts to an already expensive kit to make it suitable for the surface most of us run on.
I added up the medium parts i will use and it's still $76...that's a good amount of money...
that's a pretty poor decision for xray to reduce value in the newer kit when you look at AE and TLR and others doing nothing but packing more value into every box.
i don't mind paying more but don't remove value from a kit, EVER. that's just bad business. either that or they made a bad decision by putting it in the kit in the first place if they couldn't make a high enough margin. i think it was smart of them to include the medium plastics and allow people to have a very versatile car.
and this isn't an attack on you, im merely just expressing it, so don't take it that way please.
Last edited by lyons238; 10-14-2016 at 06:26 AM.
10-14-2016, 08:12 AM
#3853
that doesnt hold any water though, because no one runs the dirt edition on med-high bite clay. everyone runs the CE edition and uses medium plastics and ball diff. the CE car is the one size fits most option, but now xray just killed that and now instead of a $369 kit we have a $460 2wd kit.
no one really only runs on loose dirt or carpet. i definitely run on carpet myself, but i also run on indoor clay 50/50. most of us here on the forums and in the states run on indoor clay, so now we're all stuck with buying a car designed for one end of the spectrum and we have to buy more parts to an already expensive kit to make it suitable for the surface most of us run on.
I added up the medium parts i will use and it's still $76...that's a good amount of money...
that's a pretty poor decision for xray to reduce value in the newer kit when you look at AE and TLR and others doing nothing but packing more value into every box.
i don't mind paying more but don't remove value from a kit, EVER. that's just bad business. either that or they made a bad decision by putting it in the kit in the first place if they couldn't make a high enough margin. i think it was smart of them to include the medium plastics and allow people to have a very versatile car.
and this isn't an attack on you, im merely just expressing it, so don't take it that way please.
no one really only runs on loose dirt or carpet. i definitely run on carpet myself, but i also run on indoor clay 50/50. most of us here on the forums and in the states run on indoor clay, so now we're all stuck with buying a car designed for one end of the spectrum and we have to buy more parts to an already expensive kit to make it suitable for the surface most of us run on.
I added up the medium parts i will use and it's still $76...that's a good amount of money...
that's a pretty poor decision for xray to reduce value in the newer kit when you look at AE and TLR and others doing nothing but packing more value into every box.
i don't mind paying more but don't remove value from a kit, EVER. that's just bad business. either that or they made a bad decision by putting it in the kit in the first place if they couldn't make a high enough margin. i think it was smart of them to include the medium plastics and allow people to have a very versatile car.
and this isn't an attack on you, im merely just expressing it, so don't take it that way please.
Kit comes almost perfectly setup for carpet and Astro racing......which is huuuge in Europe.
You mention AE and they are running B6D with laydown transmissions on clay......hardly a stock kit at all.
Bent
10-14-2016, 08:43 AM
#3854
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (15)
What can I say except for the CE being perfect for European carpet and astro tracks. You hardly have to buy anything to be competitive at the very top.
Kit comes almost perfectly setup for carpet and Astro racing......which is huuuge in Europe.
You mention AE and they are running B6D with laydown transmissions on clay......hardly a stock kit at all.
Bent
Kit comes almost perfectly setup for carpet and Astro racing......which is huuuge in Europe.
You mention AE and they are running B6D with laydown transmissions on clay......hardly a stock kit at all.
Bent
Just doesn't make much sense to me to reduce value, especially when they're just really tapping into the huge US market in a big way.
I'll still probably buy the kit but just sort of disappointing to see that happen. Kinda seems like a small F U. Xray and Hudy seem to have a number of examples where they try to trap you into either buying more of their products. This is a perfect example of that. We know the xb2 was successful with the included parts. Now we'll pay the same price plus have to pay extra for those parts.
Last edited by lyons238; 10-14-2016 at 09:17 AM.
10-14-2016, 08:59 AM
#3855
Tech Master
iTrader: (15)
@lyons238 - The Xray is a great kit as you know, the new 2017 is a shift from 2016's "all in one" offering, lets call the original XB2 a market introduction. They packed it with extras and hard/medium plastics and even a ball diff to go with a gear diff - who else has ever done that? Now they're back to a more traditional business model, like everyone else, making kits for specific surfaces. That's hardly an FU. The 2017 is probably at a price now where the 2016 should have been all along. All of the manufacturers are trying to pack value into their kits and yet they all know we want more and they have lots to offer us on top of the kit purchase. The B6D 'needs' $30 for the lay down, and another $20 or so for the brass C block, a relatively modest amount and yes a good deal, no, not as cheap as the $76 like your Xray example, but man, don't bring TLR to the argument, you need to drop $180 for their lay down and another $80 for the dirt transmission, on top of the kit price! That makes the Xray a deal all of a sudden, lol! Even Yokomo have an $80 rear off set hub and universal kit you need to tune it to high grip that's a "must have". The industry is just going this way.