Serpent 733 1/10 200mm touring
#2626
Tech Initiate
what difference does the ackerman postion make ?
thanks
thanks
#2627
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NT1 bumper
Will this be bullet proof for 733 front end?
I fitted NT1 top bumper, foam bumper and bottom bumper.
I fitted NT1 top bumper, foam bumper and bottom bumper.
#2630
Tech Rookie
Thanks Pattojnr for the advice.
#2631
pushing
Hi guys, serpent driver in need of assistance.
Off Power Push. (high grip track "sprayed") High and low speed push. Now it's a really bad push. I am unable to maintain a working line without using up more track than what is available.
No problems with rear end stability.
How do I rectify? Just looking for basics (I know how hard it is without providing a setup sheet) I will try to give the core dimensions for how I am configured.
Drive Train: Front Diff 100,000cst - Rear Diff 40,000cst
Shock: Front Blue 1000cst 3 hole - Rear Red 1000cst 4 hole
Antiroll: Stock
Tires: Matrix Front 37 - Rear 40
Roll Center: Front "center" - Rear "low"
Shock Mount: Front 1hole from bottom - Rear Layed Out
Droop: Front 0 - Rear -3
Camber: Front 2 - Rear 3.7ish
Caster: Front 4mm (spacers) - Rear stock
Toe: Front -1 - Rear +3
Ride Height: 5.5 all the way around
My first impression is to stiffen the rear and move to a 1 hole piston and thicker fluid plus moving to a softer front, something like a 4 hole and 800cst oil. There are no other 733's that I am aware of running here on a regular basis. I know they run well when they are here, just not many of them around.
Any help you can provide would once again be most helpful. As it is, the car is nerve racking to drive because she is a magnet to the walls.
Off Power Push. (high grip track "sprayed") High and low speed push. Now it's a really bad push. I am unable to maintain a working line without using up more track than what is available.
No problems with rear end stability.
How do I rectify? Just looking for basics (I know how hard it is without providing a setup sheet) I will try to give the core dimensions for how I am configured.
Drive Train: Front Diff 100,000cst - Rear Diff 40,000cst
Shock: Front Blue 1000cst 3 hole - Rear Red 1000cst 4 hole
Antiroll: Stock
Tires: Matrix Front 37 - Rear 40
Roll Center: Front "center" - Rear "low"
Shock Mount: Front 1hole from bottom - Rear Layed Out
Droop: Front 0 - Rear -3
Camber: Front 2 - Rear 3.7ish
Caster: Front 4mm (spacers) - Rear stock
Toe: Front -1 - Rear +3
Ride Height: 5.5 all the way around
My first impression is to stiffen the rear and move to a 1 hole piston and thicker fluid plus moving to a softer front, something like a 4 hole and 800cst oil. There are no other 733's that I am aware of running here on a regular basis. I know they run well when they are here, just not many of them around.
Any help you can provide would once again be most helpful. As it is, the car is nerve racking to drive because she is a magnet to the walls.
#2632
i had same problem and after i moved the rear lower arm from low roll center to middle the car was rotating a lot better and the rear end stop pushing the front like a bad out of hell.. try it and u will be good to go.. u might actually half to take some steering out..
#2633
Tech Elite
iTrader: (52)
Hi guys, serpent driver in need of assistance.
Off Power Push. (high grip track "sprayed") High and low speed push. Now it's a really bad push. I am unable to maintain a working line without using up more track than what is available.
No problems with rear end stability.
How do I rectify? Just looking for basics (I know how hard it is without providing a setup sheet) I will try to give the core dimensions for how I am configured.
Drive Train: Front Diff 100,000cst - Rear Diff 40,000cst
Shock: Front Blue 1000cst 3 hole - Rear Red 1000cst 4 hole
Antiroll: Stock
Tires: Matrix Front 37 - Rear 40
Roll Center: Front "center" - Rear "low"
Shock Mount: Front 1hole from bottom - Rear Layed Out
Droop: Front 0 - Rear -3
Camber: Front 2 - Rear 3.7ish
Caster: Front 4mm (spacers) - Rear stock
Toe: Front -1 - Rear +3
Ride Height: 5.5 all the way around
My first impression is to stiffen the rear and move to a 1 hole piston and thicker fluid plus moving to a softer front, something like a 4 hole and 800cst oil. There are no other 733's that I am aware of running here on a regular basis. I know they run well when they are here, just not many of them around.
Any help you can provide would once again be most helpful. As it is, the car is nerve racking to drive because she is a magnet to the walls.
Off Power Push. (high grip track "sprayed") High and low speed push. Now it's a really bad push. I am unable to maintain a working line without using up more track than what is available.
No problems with rear end stability.
How do I rectify? Just looking for basics (I know how hard it is without providing a setup sheet) I will try to give the core dimensions for how I am configured.
Drive Train: Front Diff 100,000cst - Rear Diff 40,000cst
Shock: Front Blue 1000cst 3 hole - Rear Red 1000cst 4 hole
Antiroll: Stock
Tires: Matrix Front 37 - Rear 40
Roll Center: Front "center" - Rear "low"
Shock Mount: Front 1hole from bottom - Rear Layed Out
Droop: Front 0 - Rear -3
Camber: Front 2 - Rear 3.7ish
Caster: Front 4mm (spacers) - Rear stock
Toe: Front -1 - Rear +3
Ride Height: 5.5 all the way around
My first impression is to stiffen the rear and move to a 1 hole piston and thicker fluid plus moving to a softer front, something like a 4 hole and 800cst oil. There are no other 733's that I am aware of running here on a regular basis. I know they run well when they are here, just not many of them around.
Any help you can provide would once again be most helpful. As it is, the car is nerve racking to drive because she is a magnet to the walls.
#2634
Tech Elite
You can try,
Less caster
heavier rear diff (if you are really planed)
softer front tire
less angle on the rear camber link, also a shorter link is possible
Just some ideas, Need the entire set-up to really help out. Also are the 180 turns or sweeping arch like turns???
DJ Apolaro
Less caster
heavier rear diff (if you are really planed)
softer front tire
less angle on the rear camber link, also a shorter link is possible
Just some ideas, Need the entire set-up to really help out. Also are the 180 turns or sweeping arch like turns???
DJ Apolaro
#2635
Tech Elite
iTrader: (12)
Hi guys, serpent driver in need of assistance.
Off Power Push. (high grip track "sprayed") High and low speed push. Now it's a really bad push. I am unable to maintain a working line without using up more track than what is available.
No problems with rear end stability.
How do I rectify? Just looking for basics (I know how hard it is without providing a setup sheet) I will try to give the core dimensions for how I am configured.
Drive Train: Front Diff 100,000cst - Rear Diff 40,000cst
Shock: Front Blue 1000cst 3 hole - Rear Red 1000cst 4 hole
Antiroll: Stock
Tires: Matrix Front 37 - Rear 40
Roll Center: Front "center" - Rear "low"
Shock Mount: Front 1hole from bottom - Rear Layed Out
Droop: Front 0 - Rear -3
Camber: Front 2 - Rear 3.7ish
Caster: Front 4mm (spacers) - Rear stock
Toe: Front -1 - Rear +3
Ride Height: 5.5 all the way around
My first impression is to stiffen the rear and move to a 1 hole piston and thicker fluid plus moving to a softer front, something like a 4 hole and 800cst oil. There are no other 733's that I am aware of running here on a regular basis. I know they run well when they are here, just not many of them around.
Any help you can provide would once again be most helpful. As it is, the car is nerve racking to drive because she is a magnet to the walls.
Off Power Push. (high grip track "sprayed") High and low speed push. Now it's a really bad push. I am unable to maintain a working line without using up more track than what is available.
No problems with rear end stability.
How do I rectify? Just looking for basics (I know how hard it is without providing a setup sheet) I will try to give the core dimensions for how I am configured.
Drive Train: Front Diff 100,000cst - Rear Diff 40,000cst
Shock: Front Blue 1000cst 3 hole - Rear Red 1000cst 4 hole
Antiroll: Stock
Tires: Matrix Front 37 - Rear 40
Roll Center: Front "center" - Rear "low"
Shock Mount: Front 1hole from bottom - Rear Layed Out
Droop: Front 0 - Rear -3
Camber: Front 2 - Rear 3.7ish
Caster: Front 4mm (spacers) - Rear stock
Toe: Front -1 - Rear +3
Ride Height: 5.5 all the way around
My first impression is to stiffen the rear and move to a 1 hole piston and thicker fluid plus moving to a softer front, something like a 4 hole and 800cst oil. There are no other 733's that I am aware of running here on a regular basis. I know they run well when they are here, just not many of them around.
Any help you can provide would once again be most helpful. As it is, the car is nerve racking to drive because she is a magnet to the walls.
#2636
Tech Apprentice
Hey dj its lance see you are still giving good advice,I'm out in cali now I may get back in RC going to check out the tracks this weekend
#2637
Hi guys, serpent driver in need of assistance.
Off Power Push. (high grip track "sprayed") High and low speed push. Now it's a really bad push. I am unable to maintain a working line without using up more track than what is available.
No problems with rear end stability.
How do I rectify? Just looking for basics (I know how hard it is without providing a setup sheet) I will try to give the core dimensions for how I am configured.
Drive Train: Front Diff 100,000cst - Rear Diff 40,000cst
Shock: Front Blue 1000cst 3 hole - Rear Red 1000cst 4 hole
Antiroll: Stock
Tires: Matrix Front 37 - Rear 40
Roll Center: Front "center" - Rear "low"
Shock Mount: Front 1hole from bottom - Rear Layed Out
Droop: Front 0 - Rear -3
Camber: Front 2 - Rear 3.7ish
Caster: Front 4mm (spacers) - Rear stock
Toe: Front -1 - Rear +3
Ride Height: 5.5 all the way around
My first impression is to stiffen the rear and move to a 1 hole piston and thicker fluid plus moving to a softer front, something like a 4 hole and 800cst oil. There are no other 733's that I am aware of running here on a regular basis. I know they run well when they are here, just not many of them around.
Any help you can provide would once again be most helpful. As it is, the car is nerve racking to drive because she is a magnet to the walls.
Off Power Push. (high grip track "sprayed") High and low speed push. Now it's a really bad push. I am unable to maintain a working line without using up more track than what is available.
No problems with rear end stability.
How do I rectify? Just looking for basics (I know how hard it is without providing a setup sheet) I will try to give the core dimensions for how I am configured.
Drive Train: Front Diff 100,000cst - Rear Diff 40,000cst
Shock: Front Blue 1000cst 3 hole - Rear Red 1000cst 4 hole
Antiroll: Stock
Tires: Matrix Front 37 - Rear 40
Roll Center: Front "center" - Rear "low"
Shock Mount: Front 1hole from bottom - Rear Layed Out
Droop: Front 0 - Rear -3
Camber: Front 2 - Rear 3.7ish
Caster: Front 4mm (spacers) - Rear stock
Toe: Front -1 - Rear +3
Ride Height: 5.5 all the way around
My first impression is to stiffen the rear and move to a 1 hole piston and thicker fluid plus moving to a softer front, something like a 4 hole and 800cst oil. There are no other 733's that I am aware of running here on a regular basis. I know they run well when they are here, just not many of them around.
Any help you can provide would once again be most helpful. As it is, the car is nerve racking to drive because she is a magnet to the walls.
#2638
Tech Elite
iTrader: (19)
Hi guys, serpent driver in need of assistance.
Off Power Push. (high grip track "sprayed") High and low speed push. Now it's a really bad push. I am unable to maintain a working line without using up more track than what is available.
No problems with rear end stability.
How do I rectify? Just looking for basics (I know how hard it is without providing a setup sheet) I will try to give the core dimensions for how I am configured.
Drive Train: Front Diff 100,000cst - Rear Diff 40,000cst
Shock: Front Blue 1000cst 3 hole - Rear Red 1000cst 4 hole
Antiroll: Stock
Tires: Matrix Front 37 - Rear 40
Roll Center: Front "center" - Rear "low"
Shock Mount: Front 1hole from bottom - Rear Layed Out
Droop: Front 0 - Rear -3
Camber: Front 2 - Rear 3.7ish
Caster: Front 4mm (spacers) - Rear stock
Toe: Front -1 - Rear +3
Ride Height: 5.5 all the way around
My first impression is to stiffen the rear and move to a 1 hole piston and thicker fluid plus moving to a softer front, something like a 4 hole and 800cst oil. There are no other 733's that I am aware of running here on a regular basis. I know they run well when they are here, just not many of them around.
Any help you can provide would once again be most helpful. As it is, the car is nerve racking to drive because she is a magnet to the walls.
Off Power Push. (high grip track "sprayed") High and low speed push. Now it's a really bad push. I am unable to maintain a working line without using up more track than what is available.
No problems with rear end stability.
How do I rectify? Just looking for basics (I know how hard it is without providing a setup sheet) I will try to give the core dimensions for how I am configured.
Drive Train: Front Diff 100,000cst - Rear Diff 40,000cst
Shock: Front Blue 1000cst 3 hole - Rear Red 1000cst 4 hole
Antiroll: Stock
Tires: Matrix Front 37 - Rear 40
Roll Center: Front "center" - Rear "low"
Shock Mount: Front 1hole from bottom - Rear Layed Out
Droop: Front 0 - Rear -3
Camber: Front 2 - Rear 3.7ish
Caster: Front 4mm (spacers) - Rear stock
Toe: Front -1 - Rear +3
Ride Height: 5.5 all the way around
My first impression is to stiffen the rear and move to a 1 hole piston and thicker fluid plus moving to a softer front, something like a 4 hole and 800cst oil. There are no other 733's that I am aware of running here on a regular basis. I know they run well when they are here, just not many of them around.
Any help you can provide would once again be most helpful. As it is, the car is nerve racking to drive because she is a magnet to the walls.
#2639
Tech Elite
Are you living there. I still have your number or did it change?
Later,
DJ
#2640
WOW!!! Thanks for all the help guys. What a great community.
Its the low speed 180's that are killing me.
So, here is what I'll do:
1) Change to an Altis 2.0 (honestly, all my issues are low speed so I never gave the body type any priority)
2) Put in the spare 80k diff in the rear and change the current 30k over to 60k for the spare
3) Change to 35's in the front
4) 3mm spacers camber in the front
5) inspect the servo saver (travel is not set to "full throw" as the car tends to bounce the inside wheel at that setting) I have only messed with dual rates in aircraft. My servo travel speed is linear to the directional velocity of the radio wheel.
6) 2.5 tow in the rear
So in reference to my original post, was changing the internal shock settings a bad idea? I dont run around with spare shocks so if I make the mistake of using the incorrect settings, it would cost me a great deal of time to rectify on race day.
Thanks again guys, for all the help you have provided in this and previous posts.
Dan
Its the low speed 180's that are killing me.
So, here is what I'll do:
1) Change to an Altis 2.0 (honestly, all my issues are low speed so I never gave the body type any priority)
2) Put in the spare 80k diff in the rear and change the current 30k over to 60k for the spare
3) Change to 35's in the front
4) 3mm spacers camber in the front
5) inspect the servo saver (travel is not set to "full throw" as the car tends to bounce the inside wheel at that setting) I have only messed with dual rates in aircraft. My servo travel speed is linear to the directional velocity of the radio wheel.
6) 2.5 tow in the rear
So in reference to my original post, was changing the internal shock settings a bad idea? I dont run around with spare shocks so if I make the mistake of using the incorrect settings, it would cost me a great deal of time to rectify on race day.
Thanks again guys, for all the help you have provided in this and previous posts.
Dan