2008 IFMAR 1/10 200mm On-Road World Championships: Aug 7-17
08-15-2008, 05:09 PM
#586
Tech Regular
Thanks Josh for all the time you have spent keeping everyone on this site informed. I really appreciate the "inside" information.
Good luck during the final day, hopefully it is a long day for the XRAY and JACO crowd.
Tell your traveling buddy good job!
Ted
Good luck during the final day, hopefully it is a long day for the XRAY and JACO crowd.
Tell your traveling buddy good job!
Ted
08-15-2008, 05:14 PM
#587
Tech Adept
08-15-2008, 05:54 PM
#589
This whole thing about the pipe/stinger will realy come to light in the future for sure when other mfg's test and find out if this is a performance gain or not. Then all the speculation, if it made a difference in this Worlds Qualification order will be known.
But my question is why did they do it if it wouldn't have been of some benefit to them? Why, if this pipe has been used for the past year, is it the first time anybody other than Sirio has heard of it? Don't you think that Novarossi would have tested the idea and been using it also? Sounds like a well kept secret.... But the rules say that the stinger: "Tail pipe maximum internal diameter* 5.20mm" If it is more than 5.2 anywhere, isn't that illegal?
Secondly, Ifmar said that the protest was "not accepted due to the wording" .... Unbelievable!
Is this the reason why they didn't toss out the results from those who used it?
Sounds like a lot of poeple have lost faith in thier race organization.
But my question is why did they do it if it wouldn't have been of some benefit to them? Why, if this pipe has been used for the past year, is it the first time anybody other than Sirio has heard of it? Don't you think that Novarossi would have tested the idea and been using it also? Sounds like a well kept secret.... But the rules say that the stinger: "Tail pipe maximum internal diameter* 5.20mm" If it is more than 5.2 anywhere, isn't that illegal?
Secondly, Ifmar said that the protest was "not accepted due to the wording" .... Unbelievable!
Is this the reason why they didn't toss out the results from those who used it?
Sounds like a lot of poeple have lost faith in thier race organization.
08-15-2008, 06:12 PM
#591
Pretty much agreed with Josh saying, 1% difference is 1% difference, that is totally infringed the rules and CHEATING. It is criminal. Someone picked 1 piece of candy unpaid in the store and got caught would be found guity whatever or no matter it was just "1" candy.
IFMAR does not enforce the rules and act up, it is unacceptable and SHAME. Even i have some personal favor to some brands, i am still looking for a clean race, the qualifiers, and lastly the winner is by its driving, setting and race strategy, but not "CHEATING".
IFMAR, this is a 200mm world championship title, the winner will get the honor, it is for life to recognize it that year, not in the way that rc fans are to joke about it in the future.
You guys are loosing creditbility.
As a fan, given that this "suspect" may not be penalised, we have no way, but just enjoy this "drama" finished today.
I am not biasing any brand, but rule is a rule. There should not be any benefit of doubt by the spec variances.
Just my 2cents, no means of trying to insult of anyone.
IFMAR does not enforce the rules and act up, it is unacceptable and SHAME. Even i have some personal favor to some brands, i am still looking for a clean race, the qualifiers, and lastly the winner is by its driving, setting and race strategy, but not "CHEATING".
IFMAR, this is a 200mm world championship title, the winner will get the honor, it is for life to recognize it that year, not in the way that rc fans are to joke about it in the future.
You guys are loosing creditbility.
As a fan, given that this "suspect" may not be penalised, we have no way, but just enjoy this "drama" finished today.
I am not biasing any brand, but rule is a rule. There should not be any benefit of doubt by the spec variances.
Just my 2cents, no means of trying to insult of anyone.
08-15-2008, 06:31 PM
#594
I had no problems with the stream at home but the crappy connection at work wouldn't load it.
08-15-2008, 06:48 PM
#595
This whole thing about the pipe/stinger will realy come to light in the future for sure when other mfg's test and find out if this is a performance gain or not. Then all the speculation, if it made a difference in this Worlds Qualification order will be known.
But my question is why did they do it if it wouldn't have been of some benefit to them? Why, if this pipe has been used for the past year, is it the first time anybody other than Sirio has heard of it? Don't you think that Novarossi would have tested the idea and been using it also? Sounds like a well kept secret.... But the rules say that the stinger: "Tail pipe maximum internal diameter* 5.20mm" If it is more than 5.2 anywhere, isn't that illegal?
Secondly, Ifmar said that the protest was "not accepted due to the wording" .... Unbelievable!
Is this the reason why they didn't toss out the results from those who used it?
Sounds like a lot of poeple have lost faith in thier race organization.
But my question is why did they do it if it wouldn't have been of some benefit to them? Why, if this pipe has been used for the past year, is it the first time anybody other than Sirio has heard of it? Don't you think that Novarossi would have tested the idea and been using it also? Sounds like a well kept secret.... But the rules say that the stinger: "Tail pipe maximum internal diameter* 5.20mm" If it is more than 5.2 anywhere, isn't that illegal?
Secondly, Ifmar said that the protest was "not accepted due to the wording" .... Unbelievable!
Is this the reason why they didn't toss out the results from those who used it?
Sounds like a lot of poeple have lost faith in thier race organization.
08-15-2008, 07:31 PM
#596
Tech Regular
iTrader: (2)
it dosent matter how long the new version has been out, dosent matter if it give's a advantage , what matters is , Is it the exact same pipe that was
approved and given the #2611 if the answer is no then it is not legal.
I Would think that Ifmar would have found this out at the begining. And I would think that Sirio would know what the rules are
No excuse's it should be pretty simple
approved and given the #2611 if the answer is no then it is not legal.
I Would think that Ifmar would have found this out at the begining. And I would think that Sirio would know what the rules are
No excuse's it should be pretty simple
08-15-2008, 10:19 PM
#597
Face the facts.....it doesnt matter how long the pipe has been around....its the fact that this new pipe is totally different from the efra approved 2611 tech drawing. "Thats the fact"
08-15-2008, 11:03 PM
#598
To me to be honest i dont think even Ifmar or efra really know what the rules mean and they write them .
Homolagation like they say (is not even an english word it is french and means certified ,qualified) again for new pipes just to save 1db of noise but they gained $500 per pipe manufacturer, to me this is a money grabbing exercise and nothing to do with noise.
Then they went from 77mm of width of a wing then they went to 77mm for chord and then they changed again to 85mm chord and now back to 77mm chord .But they changed the rules because manufacturers had already made the mold for the bigger diameter to me thats crap rules are rules and should never been changed for anyone nor manufacturer or individual.
I believe that they need somone to re write the rules someone who knows perfect english (no disrespect to anyone but we live in an english speaking world) who also knows how to explain the rules better in the statement of the rule book so everyone understands and no one is confused about any rule and not chop and change to suit one manufacturer like they always do .
Ifmar alone should be running the show and not to the mercy of the manufacturers like the same way formula one is run by the formula 1 governing body and not by ferrari.
Homolagation like they say (is not even an english word it is french and means certified ,qualified) again for new pipes just to save 1db of noise but they gained $500 per pipe manufacturer, to me this is a money grabbing exercise and nothing to do with noise.
Then they went from 77mm of width of a wing then they went to 77mm for chord and then they changed again to 85mm chord and now back to 77mm chord .But they changed the rules because manufacturers had already made the mold for the bigger diameter to me thats crap rules are rules and should never been changed for anyone nor manufacturer or individual.
I believe that they need somone to re write the rules someone who knows perfect english (no disrespect to anyone but we live in an english speaking world) who also knows how to explain the rules better in the statement of the rule book so everyone understands and no one is confused about any rule and not chop and change to suit one manufacturer like they always do .
Ifmar alone should be running the show and not to the mercy of the manufacturers like the same way formula one is run by the formula 1 governing body and not by ferrari.
Last edited by COBRARACING; 08-15-2008 at 11:33 PM.
08-15-2008, 11:57 PM
#599
Tech Master
iTrader: (1)
A lot about the structure of IFMAR and how it works was also discussed. The big problem at the moment is that the rules come from the proposals from the blocks (ROAR, EFRA, FEMCA, FAMAR) and if these blocks do not bother to do the paperwork then the rules are not adopted in IFMAR... The rules work backwards - They come from the bottom (so to speak) to the top rather than from the top to the bottom. This is why ROAR and EFRA and the others have the rear wing dimension 10mm from the bumper but in IFMAR it's still 10mm from the deck lid (approx 10mm further forward).
Trust me, IFMAR knows the problems but it is a matter of working around their constitution to fix everything. Really, it will take votes from the blocks to allow IFMAR to change their constitution (if they want to do it per their constitution) to be able to fix these rules within their organization rather than waiting for the blocks to actually do their paper work. Most of the blocks though, do not want to give up their power to a higher authority.
Barry's out of the shower!! Time to go to the track!!
Trust me, IFMAR knows the problems but it is a matter of working around their constitution to fix everything. Really, it will take votes from the blocks to allow IFMAR to change their constitution (if they want to do it per their constitution) to be able to fix these rules within their organization rather than waiting for the blocks to actually do their paper work. Most of the blocks though, do not want to give up their power to a higher authority.
Barry's out of the shower!! Time to go to the track!!
08-16-2008, 12:08 AM
#600
Tech Adept
Go Josh... Go get them!