Kyosho 2020/21 MP10 TKI2
#91
I just started my build on my new MP10 TKI 2. Over the years I have built probably 30 Kyosho MP series nitro buggies. Starting with the Turbo Burns, MP5, MP6, MP6 Int, MP7, MP777, MP9 TKI 1,2,3 etc. In every kit there was always one thick and one thin diff shim to use in the bulk heads to get the proper gear mesh. I never had one kit use different combinations of shims to achieve proper gear mesh. It was always one thick and one thin shim, opposite the ring gear for each front and rear diff.
The MP10 TKI2 gives you 6 thin shims in the kit. I have tried using just one, two or all three thin shims and the gear mesh sounds awful and feels notchy. When ever I have built all the previous kits the mesh was smooth and quiet before even being run and broken in.
Kind of disappointing.
Is this the new normal for Kyosho?
What is the typical number of shims you use to get the best diff gear mesh?
What side of the diff do you typically put the shims on?
Thanks
The MP10 TKI2 gives you 6 thin shims in the kit. I have tried using just one, two or all three thin shims and the gear mesh sounds awful and feels notchy. When ever I have built all the previous kits the mesh was smooth and quiet before even being run and broken in.
Kind of disappointing.
Is this the new normal for Kyosho?
What is the typical number of shims you use to get the best diff gear mesh?
What side of the diff do you typically put the shims on?
Thanks
#92
I just started my build on my new MP10 TKI 2. Over the years I have built probably 30 Kyosho MP series nitro buggies. Starting with the Turbo Burns, MP5, MP6, MP6 Int, MP7, MP777, MP9 TKI 1,2,3 etc. In every kit there was always one thick and one thin diff shim to use in the bulk heads to get the proper gear mesh. I never had one kit use different combinations of shims to achieve proper gear mesh. It was always one thick and one thin shim, opposite the ring gear for each front and rear diff.
The MP10 TKI2 gives you 6 thin shims in the kit. I have tried using just one, two or all three thin shims and the gear mesh sounds awful and feels notchy. When ever I have built all the previous kits the mesh was smooth and quiet before even being run and broken in.
Kind of disappointing.
Is this the new normal for Kyosho?
What is the typical number of shims you use to get the best diff gear mesh?
What side of the diff do you typically put the shims on?
Thanks
The MP10 TKI2 gives you 6 thin shims in the kit. I have tried using just one, two or all three thin shims and the gear mesh sounds awful and feels notchy. When ever I have built all the previous kits the mesh was smooth and quiet before even being run and broken in.
Kind of disappointing.
Is this the new normal for Kyosho?
What is the typical number of shims you use to get the best diff gear mesh?
What side of the diff do you typically put the shims on?
Thanks
tight tolerance- just needs to break in a bit. I installed 2 shims per diff on the opposite of the ring gear and ran it in the track for a few packs. It was way more free and quieter after that first run. So I then removed 1 shim per diff, was a little tight again- but this time I raced the car for the first time. After that, totally free spinning. I’ve raced several times and practiced a bunch since then, will probably be removing the last shims before the next race.
they just need to break in, put a small amount of white lithium grease in the ring and pinion and run it. After it runs in it’ll be the smoothest drivetrain you’ve ever seen!
#93
Thanks for your help;. It is reassuring to hear. I ended up with one shim for the front diff and two shims for the rear. All shims placed opposite the ring gear. The front diff feels a bit smoother than the rear but both are better. Thanks again!
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run the car a few tanks and the diffs will break in just fine. adjust shims from side to side as needed to maintain the correct backlash..
#95
I bought replacement shock towers because I wanted the hard anodizing. I thought the chassis that came with the kit was the optional hard anodized one. It is a similar color to the Kyosho's hard anodized shock towers but I can tell it is slightly different. The anodizing does not appear to be the same quality.
Is the replacement chassis in fact a different better quality anodizing than what you get in the kit?
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the part nuimber is different so i assume there is a difference in something.. assuming its the coating or the aluminum its self for a greater longevity
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guess they are the same somewhere i read the tki2 was suppose to have a different chassis coating but i guess that never happened. i think it was on a fakebook post about the new kit. so ya the if601 is the normal chassis for both. i thought the download on the tki2 had a different chassis but i guess i looked at the wrong number. old guys and vision .. lol.. sorry for the confusion.
#99
guess they are the same somewhere i read the tki2 was suppose to have a different chassis coating but i guess that never happened. i think it was on a fakebook post about the new kit. so ya the if601 is the normal chassis for both. i thought the download on the tki2 had a different chassis but i guess i looked at the wrong number. old guys and vision .. lol.. sorry for the confusion.
#100
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So I have been testing mp9 c and d blocks on my mp10tki2 absolutely dialed on a low to med grip ....I drilled the mp9 inserts for the bigger suspension pin, shorter drive shafts (I think mp9) and added rear +1mm hubs ......I'm not saying anything is wrong with the mp10 if the track has decent traction I absolutely love the car but med to loose I was losing drive out of the corners and noticed that the AE guys and the Mugen guys were running LRC or at least narrowed rear pivot blocks, so that's where I got the idea . if you want to add another tuning option to your set up I can say it works and works really well on med to loose tracks I reached out to tworks and suggested the make narrow pivot blocks for the mp10 so hopefully maybe they'll look into it .... I let buggy brent (YouTuber) drive my car also so you all can reach out to him if you like and ask him his thoughts
#102
So I have been testing mp9 c and d blocks on my mp10tki2 absolutely dialed on a low to med grip ....I drilled the mp9 inserts for the bigger suspension pin, shorter drive shafts (I think mp9) and added rear +1mm hubs ......I'm not saying anything is wrong with the mp10 if the track has decent traction I absolutely love the car but med to loose I was losing drive out of the corners and noticed that the AE guys and the Mugen guys were running LRC or at least narrowed rear pivot blocks, so that's where I got the idea . if you want to add another tuning option to your set up I can say it works and works really well on med to loose tracks I reached out to tworks and suggested the make narrow pivot blocks for the mp10 so hopefully maybe they'll look into it .... I let buggy brent (YouTuber) drive my car also so you all can reach out to him if you like and ask him his thoughts
#103
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So I have been testing mp9 c and d blocks on my mp10tki2 absolutely dialed on a low to med grip ....I drilled the mp9 inserts for the bigger suspension pin, shorter drive shafts (I think mp9) and added rear +1mm hubs ......I'm not saying anything is wrong with the mp10 if the track has decent traction I absolutely love the car but med to loose I was losing drive out of the corners and noticed that the AE guys and the Mugen guys were running LRC or at least narrowed rear pivot blocks, so that's where I got the idea . if you want to add another tuning option to your set up I can say it works and works really well on med to loose tracks I reached out to tworks and suggested the make narrow pivot blocks for the mp10 so hopefully maybe they'll look into it .... I let buggy brent (YouTuber) drive my car also so you all can reach out to him if you like and ask him his thoughts
Some people think its the arm length but:
The Mp9 has quite short rear arms and good rear end grip, so, its not the arm length that gives grip but it is how the rollcenter changes when you move to a narrow pivot rear end
#104
Tech Initiate
Hello all,
someone changed back to the old gearing? 43/13! Read that some Euro driver changed back to 43/13.
someone changed back to the old gearing? 43/13! Read that some Euro driver changed back to 43/13.
#105
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Would anyone have, or know of an info base, that has a definitive backwards compatible parts list of the MP10 Tki2 to MP9 Tki4?
With a new year just around the corner and work-life changes ahead, it looks like I'm going to be able to pick up racing again 🥳
I sold off my #1 car, but hung onto #2 (spare) car which is still pretty much mint and so I'm looking for a replacement for #1. Having a really solid amount of spares left and finding a new-in-the-box Tki4 kit is a mission that the IMF couldn't complete, this leaves me looking at the MP10 Tki2. Or maybe looking at another platform altogether as the second car, which I'm reluctant to do, as I've been with Kyosho from the start. So knowing exactly what's interchangeable between the two, would be great from a practical point of view, as well as defining a budget on two separate spares boxes.
With a new year just around the corner and work-life changes ahead, it looks like I'm going to be able to pick up racing again 🥳
I sold off my #1 car, but hung onto #2 (spare) car which is still pretty much mint and so I'm looking for a replacement for #1. Having a really solid amount of spares left and finding a new-in-the-box Tki4 kit is a mission that the IMF couldn't complete, this leaves me looking at the MP10 Tki2. Or maybe looking at another platform altogether as the second car, which I'm reluctant to do, as I've been with Kyosho from the start. So knowing exactly what's interchangeable between the two, would be great from a practical point of view, as well as defining a budget on two separate spares boxes.