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Old 12-06-2016, 12:34 PM   #16
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I probably dis mis-speak regarding speed and I was at the Champs and saw exactly what you are talking about. While the spread in lap times seems pretty close the skill required to go from a 21.5 to a 17.5 is IMO much different than going from 17.5 to Mod. That is what puzzled me about the choice in motors. I thought the spread would be a bit more even. I've never even driven a mod car but have played around with a 10.5 in TC and it was pretty quick. Single turn motors have to be complete animals. I want to try one but not sure I can stomach what might happen to my car.
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What is the fascination with slower racing in the US? Why do mod and 13.5 boosted seem so unpopular?

I can understand 17.5 blinky at club level but 21.5 and 25.5 just seem too slow, especially at national events.
Our indoor tracks are small.
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Stupid question time:

What is the fascination with slower racing in the US? Why do mod and 13.5 boosted seem so unpopular?

I can understand 17.5 blinky at club level but 21.5 and 25.5 just seem too slow, especially at national events.
The average track here in the states has a straight that is smaller than 90ft and we use harder tires than you would typically find overseas.
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Stupid question time:

What is the fascination with slower racing in the US? Why do mod and 13.5 boosted seem so unpopular?

I can understand 17.5 blinky at club level but 21.5 and 25.5 just seem too slow, especially at national events.

With 21.5 and 25.5 TC get ready for lipo/motor of the week all out war.........Allegedly
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With 21.5 and 25.5 TC get ready for lipo/motor of the week all out war.........Allegedly

GET ready??
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With 21.5 and 25.5 TC get ready for lipo/motor of the week all out war.........Allegedly
I suppose that's the bit I don't understand. It becomes a game of who has the deepest pockets.

Most indoor club tracks in the UK are less than 90ft in length but I can't imagine many club racers here are running anything slower than a 17.5.

The jump up to mod is just insane from the likes of 17.5 blinky. 13.5 boosted (which I run) is a pretty good intermediate level but some argue it's too fast. 13.5 blinky seems to be taking off here and has just been added to the national championship.
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21.5T Tc or slower is really needed. The current crop of "fall 2016" 17.5 motors make cars the same speed as 13.5. It's just silly..
This is a great change to see...

The only thing that could be better would be either 1) cut-offs on motor certs 2) stricter motor rules with less loop holes...
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With 21.5 and 25.5 TC get ready for lipo/motor of the week all out war.........Allegedly
21.5 is already in a motor war (see the USGT thread) and 25.5 motors, at least the ROAR legal motors should be just fine because of the requirements in place to be deemed legal. IMO 25.5 probably has the most level playing field.
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I was having this conversation this morning with a Buddy of mine. He hit me with why make a 21.5 and 25.5 TC class when we already have USGT and USVTA? He basically feels if 17.5 TC is to fast you should run these classes. Instead of making new TC classes.

I would like to hear how others feel about this. USGT is 21.5 and USVTA is 25.5 already so why make two new TC classes that could potentially destroy these classes. Or do you all feel that's not the case?
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All the necessary classes are already there today for everybody to participate.... 17.5t is also not that fast to me, certainly not as fast as 13.5t ... Most of the US racers shy away from anything that's really fast: no wonder they have such poor attendance at the Istc Worlds...
17.5 blinky will be a mod class soon in the US if they keep looking for slower stock classes...
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Amen Bert!

I'll never understand this "slow down" mentality.

It screams of catering to the lowest common denominator. Which doesn't work anywhere or in any application. Especially racing.

Also funny that everyone and their mom is so worried about the state of the sport.

Here's how you fix it.

Shut up, quit bitching, race more, enjoy the sport.

You don't need to do anything else but enjoy the sport to attract newcomers.

Did you get into the sport cause of idiotic ideas about spec slowtard racing or was it because you seen people having a blast???

That's what I thought...

And hey guys from other country's, not all of us Americans
are a bunch of whiney socialists that want to race at walking speed, although you can't tell from this incessant spec racing garbage talk.
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And hey guys from other country's, not all of us Americans
are a bunch of whiney socialists that want to race at walking speed, although you can't tell from this incessant spec racing garbage talk.
The largest racing competition is the ETS in Europe, which just happens to be spec racing. Most countries that I know of either have spec racing in some form or are considering moving to it. You've basically just insulted everyone with that remark.
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All the necessary classes are already there today for everybody to participate.... 17.5t is also not that fast to me, certainly not as fast as 13.5t ... Most of the US racers shy away from anything that's really fast: no wonder they have such poor attendance at the Istc Worlds...
17.5 blinky will be a mod class soon in the US if they keep looking for slower stock classes...
On carpet we need slower classes here in the U.S. Some just don't want to run usvta cause it isn't high-tech ... But 17.5 is too fast for a newer racer or someone that has eye trouble such as myself or just don't have the hand-eye coordination to react as fast that 17.5 requires . I feel the 21.5 move is great . This should give people to a class to be competitive in the class . Things have got so fast over the yrs... Hell even NASCAR does stuff to slow down the cars . Have you ever watched racing videos back from 10+ yrs ago mod then was slower than 17.5 on indoor track and they were running on foam tires .
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I would have been satisfied with USVTA 25.5, USGT 21.5, Stock 17.5, Mod classes at the Birds, I have no interest in running in a class with sponsored guys, too much time away from racing in the last few years and not near enough time to devote to racing. With that said I still enjoy racing, balancing skill levels and motors is nothing new, we just need way to execute the separation at least at the national level.
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The largest racing competition is the ETS in Europe, which just happens to be spec racing. Most countries that I know of either have spec racing in some form or are considering moving to it. You've basically just insulted everyone with that remark.
If you feel insulted by that comment then consider it meant for you.

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