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Old 09-30-2006, 04:51 PM   #16171
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There will be a full break down on www.schumacherpitspace.com in the next few days, but here is a sneak-peek of Weylin's ride.
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Old 09-30-2006, 05:55 PM   #16172
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Old 10-01-2006, 04:10 PM   #16173
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At the IIC (med bite) the car had more of an oversteer than loose feeling. By that I mean the car was super locked in unless you turned the wheel hard, then it would break free pretty hard (not a very controllable slide), which is why I could pivot it around the 180 or something if I needed. Which is why I said the setup is dialed if you like lots of steering, it allows you to put it where ever you want it. Here are some things I would try though to tighten up the rear end or make any slide more controllable.

-first, just sauce less front tire (I did 1/2, try 1/4)
-stand rear shocks up one hole
-change rear WB to med/long instead of med/short or longer even
-raise rear hinge pin .5 or 1mm and go to silver rear bar so the suspension pressures the rear tire more instead of rolling as much, and then the silver bar will allow the rear end to roll more. Do these 2 changes at the same time.
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This seems real similar to how my car was acting today at the track. I know this was Rubber and I was on foams, but the car was reacting the same way. Thoughts?
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Old 10-01-2006, 06:31 PM   #16174
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This seems real similar to how my car was acting today at the track. I know this was Rubber and I was on foams, but the car was reacting the same way. Thoughts?
You will need to post your current setup including tire compound/size.....
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Old 10-01-2006, 08:26 PM   #16175
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You will need to post your current setup including tire compound/size.....
P-Dub, not trying to be a smart @&&, but I really don't know exactly what I've got. Changed many things during the day. What I do know is:

Black IRS springs front, 60wt AE, about 3.5mm ride height front, no sway bar, 3mm droop front, Cyan front.
Gold AE rear, 20wt Shumacher, about 3mm droop rear, no sway bar, Magenta rear, 4.5mm ride ht.

Shocks had 2 hole pistons.

I know this isn't the best set-up description, but I have to get to the car to get the rest of the settings. My biggest problem was binding in the arms which we took care of. As you may have guessed, I'm pretty new to the racing world and this was my first day with the car. I'm getting close and should have a much more drivable car next time out. The thing was still fun to drive and a huge improvement to my previous TCs.
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Old 10-01-2006, 11:31 PM   #16176
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Start off by raising your front rideheight to 4.5mm, 3.5mm is where I would run a 1/12 and .5mm below the very minimum I would ever consider running a sedan. If that's where your rideheight really is you will be getting horrible chassis rub in the front, and it's likely that if you turn the wheel hard the car is going to slow down quickly putting a lot of weight on the front end which will make the chassis rub since it's so low and could cause the rear end to break loose. Start off here because that actually seems like an issue with the car rather than a setup change. In order to start making setup changes that matter the car has to be in near perfect working condition. Glad to hear the car was better than your previous ones though, but don't worry, we'll help you get it working like it should . See if raising the front ride height solves it though.
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Old 10-02-2006, 03:49 AM   #16177
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Can anybody running 64 pitch let me know what's the lowest ratio (small pinion/big spur) that fits in the car without modifications to motor mount/layshaft bulkheads? I'm having trouble getting to a ratio for the Novak 3.5 running standard 48 pitch gears. Lowest ratio i can get to is 16/89 (or about 10:1).

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p-dub, mini-dub, let's just put it this way... i had no idea the ec could be put together like this.

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we'll get the car figured out at the gate over the next few outings. if you make it out on wednesdays, i usually dedicate the night to other peoples' programs. before, we go on about setup stuff, i want to make sure there are no more building errors. also, the track will be pretty empty, so you can really let'er rip. the faster you drive it, the better it is.

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Can anybody running 64 pitch let me know what's the lowest ratio (small pinion/big spur) that fits in the car without modifications to motor mount/layshaft bulkheads? I'm having trouble getting to a ratio for the Novak 3.5 running standard 48 pitch gears. Lowest ratio i can get to is 16/89 (or about 10:1).

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I ran my Mi2EC over this weekend with the Novak 4.5 system. My gearing was 120T spur and 22 or 21T pinion. Those fit no problem and without any modification.
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Be careful running that 120 on the EC. It does stick out of the bottom just a touch. Probably not that big of a deal on carpet but on asphalt, I killed a couple pretty quickly from the transitions at SoCal.
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It's fine on the 2.5mm chassis, I think Clint was running one at Vegas. I wouldn't run a 120 on the 2mm though on carpet because you REALLY don't want the spur get to hit the carpet somehow, that would be very non friendly to the carpet, and your track owner wouldn't like you much .
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I'm running on tarmac with the standard EC rubber tyre kit. It's with the 3.5 that I'm having trouble getting to a ratio for a mid-sized track. On a larger track at 16/89 (or 10.01:1) it's fine, but gearing down is a problem. I really don't want a spur gear hanging out the bottom of the chassis (or I could just run a 92 tooth 48 pitch spur). What i am trying to find out is the largest 64 pitch spur that will fit without protruding, and the smallest pinion that will mesh with that spur.....
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118 on the 2mm chassis is the biggest 16p spur you could run. The smallest pinion you could run with a 118 is I think a 22t. That puts you at a 9.65 ratio. If you dremel the motor mount so the slots are longer you can fit smaller pinions though, that's what most people have to do running low turn brushless on any car.
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I've never had to go lower than a 9.2 (118/23) and that I know was pretty close to touching the end of the slots. Weylin's probably right with the 22. I don't think I've even seen a 21 tooth 64p pinion.
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118 on the 2mm chassis is the biggest 16p spur you could run. The smallest pinion you could run with a 118 is I think a 22t. That puts you at a 9.65 ratio. If you dremel the motor mount so the slots are longer you can fit smaller pinions though, that's what most people have to do running low turn brushless on any car.
The 120 spur fits on the car too Running brushless will require some drilling to get the correct ratios to fit. I have a 64P 19 pinion on mine right now.
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