Trips

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I think I'd like something around the same speed as a 4 cell 13.5, but that would probably be too much for a stock class...

I have to reluctantly agree... although at sub-700 gram weights, I think a 1/12 car will be full throttle for eight minutes... we barely have to let off now at 850 grams, maybe two or three spots per lap, and then we're only easing off to half throttle for a moment to get the car rotated...

I think this threead has been jacked enough at this point, and I'm probably the one most guilty of making it happen... I apologize, and respectfully request that we take any further LiPO 1/12 discussion HERE

Okay, back to topic... the weight limit for the upcoming carpet nats... way way way back in the day, I was told by Bob Emott of BIR that with all else the same, every extra ounce on the car meant a tenth per lap... That was in '79 or '80. Does anyone know if that holds true today?

Scottrik

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I'd say (though I'd be sorry to see it) go ahead and announce BL only at level 4 and 5 events...which kind of eliminates the need to change the weight minimum if everybody is playing on the same field power-wise. As has been indicated, there are people who have gotten their BL cars into the low(er) 800 gram range and I'm not keen on taking that effort away from them. I think everybody could get their cars into that range with some work if that's what's really important to them. To Brian's point, I think a lot of ado about nothing is being made, but what the hey.

Bob-Stormer

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Of course the T-bar guys will have to buy a new car, so it's a money saver too. ... I'm not running that pack up the side... seriously...
<thumbsdown on doing that to a T-bar car>

and as an aside... at least we got this weight thing properly hijacked and outta the way.

I think that's like the harshest thing I think I've ever seen you type. I kinda liked the lack of sugar coating that crock of shit thing nearly cost me a keyboard when I blew mountain dew out my nose.

TESTIFY MY BRUTHA!!!

Bob-Stormer

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Wait a second. I've got a car that lipo will work in. I'm cool... (it's light too)

Trips

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Wow the first of the purpose-built LiPO designs... I LIKE it... Fiberglass is all the strength you'll need because the lighter weight of LiPO means less damage in a crash... the upper deck battery mount keeps the CG of the car the same as current 1.12 scales, cheap synthetic foam will last forever with the lack of tire wear in a LiPo car... no need for confusing and annoying suspension in a 650 gram chassis...

Someone hurry up and make a three-wiper brushless speedo... I'm IN... let me know when you're taking pre-orders...

~McSmooth~

Ahhhh...my first race car. 1986 it was.

Memory
all alone in the moonlight
I can smile at the old days
I was beautiful then
I remember the time I knew what happiness was
Let the memory live again

~McSmooth~

I'm with my ol' buddy Bob Stormer in agreeing with this one. It's about time someone finally said it and put it all in one post.

I'm gonna save this one, and post it in every Lipo/Brushless/weight change/new ESC/new motor bitch session from here on out.

Scottrik

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You know me...I'm here to entertain!

I just get so frustrated listening to people who really don't know what they're talking about (at least re: future ramifications), or if they do they're lying, trying to justify the latest tech(s) as costing less, being easier, being more equal, etc. Brushless motors have made racing cost more, plain and simple. And watching what I've seen thus far...in STOCK racing, mind you...it ain't any easier either. I watched guys spend more time in a day futzing with their laptop and esc than I have ever spent in a year turning comms and re-brushing motors. Then again, I never fell for the "ya gotta re-turn/re-brush every heat" line. Hell, I rarely re-brush or re-turn in a half season. It is exceedingly rare that I remove a motor from my car. Being the brutally honest with myself person I am I'm very aware that the little boost in hp I'd realize ain't what's keeping me from beating Mitch and Randy. It's skill, and I can't buy any of that or tune it at my bench. Though as I saw when I got to race (practice) eight of ten days leading up to Christmas (instead of the eight race days per year we can schedule here) I definitely improve with additional track time. Go figure.

And LiPo...anybody who tells me a LiPo pack is going to be easier at the same time it re-introduces receiver packs (honest to god quote: "they aren't so bad") leaves me shaking my head. I guess I'll wait and see what these booster thingies do and how easy they are to incorporate. I'm just looking SO forward to adding yet another electronic doo-hickey to my car that I'm lying awake nights like it's Christmas Eve all over again. I can hardly wait for St. Novak to come down my chimney and servo tape another transistor-fied bit of goodness to my car.

~McSmooth~

A big, red warning flag should go up every time a manufacturer tells you that something is "good for the hobby".

Scottrik

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If I'm not mistaken, those would easily accept pretty much any of the 2s packs ala Orion, etc, wouldn't they? Heck yeah, bring back 6-cell 1/12 scale...it was SO easy to drive back when we ran weakling motors, it ought to be a TREAT with what we've got now!!

Scottrik

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But in this case it wasn't really the mfr's I saw out proseletyzing...it was racers here on RC Tech. Either the evil empire saw that the best way to get stuff stirred was to send out their stooges, or if these folks REALLY believed what they were saying... I said from the outset that it wouldn't make anything easier or save any money, and I recall Bob saying exactly the same thing. THERE'S honesty for you, Bob knew he'd realize many sales for the new product and STILL maintained it wouldn't do what the deciples claimed it would.

jiml

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Scott, I see the exact opposite at my local track.

95% of touring car is brushless and LiPo. Both stock and super stock.

When these guys ran brushed motors, cutting the comm every round was considered mandatory.

Touring car has seen an increase in turnout since the conversion to brushless/LiPo. Most site the lack of work necessary between rounds.

1/12 scale has seen a drop in turnout. According to the track owner it's because they can't run lipo. Again 90% of 1/12 scale is brushless (so far only stock)

Scott, I'm not saying you're wrong, but different places are experiencing different things.

Bob-Stormer

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I actually laughed out loud on that one.

Bob-Stormer

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Must be regional, I'd say within 1000 miles of us, in any direction, 1/12th scale is WAY up. I went back to it so I could get nearly double the track time on a race day. And it's a smidge less work than touring.

That said, I'm building a new touring car this weekend. I Haven't run one in so long I'm in the mood again. Sounds like fun again. And that's what it's about.

Scottrik

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Hello...

Like I said, if you want to compete it is becoming clear that the brushless motor is clearly the victor, given equal weights.


I went ahead and italicized the operative word in your quote. 75% of what racers do is to soothe that beast raging between their ears. They THINK they need to do that crap. 90% of drivers I'VE seen would have seen better results had they snapped a pack in there and gotten a bit of extra practice. THAT'S what makes the difference. If you're consistently running 8 minutes (or 5 as the case may be) clean THEN the additional couple percent more power really makes a difference. Until then, you're fooling yourself.