TLR 22 3.0 Race Kit Thread!
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#3406
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At the very least, it would be nice to have some sort of PDF template available for folks to print out a copy, tape to their stock chassis and drill the holes themselves instead of having to buy a whole new chassis. That would make it easier for me to pull the trigger on a laydown conversion to experiment with.
#3407
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I think that laydown cars are faster.... but not quite as easy to drive unless on a track with pretty good grip. I look at it this way, if you are a top 5 in the main guy, you probably have the skill required to drive it and are so close with the guys you are directly competing with that the 1-2 tenths you could pick up matter enough to give it a shot. If you are a middle of the B-main guy, then the laydown will probably prove to not be easy enough to drive and won't improve your results over all... right now you just need to focus on having clean runs, driving faster, etc. then think about laydown a little further down the road when the car starts to become more of a limiting factor.
When I say 'you', that intended for whoever reads this, and not you Bill
When I say 'you', that intended for whoever reads this, and not you Bill
Not sure if this is possible but just an idea. When mounting the Anders Lind laydown in a B5m I assembled the trans cases, then put a thin piece of double sided tape over the holes in the case that needed corresponding holes in the chassis. Then took a sharpie and marked the center of those holes on the tape. Carefully lined up the tranny with the chassis, next carefully remove the tranny while making sure the double sided tape is stuck to the chassis. This should allow you to drill the new holes in the proper locations.
#3408
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If I am not mistaken, the chassis plate that comes with the laydown is milled differently therefore it has different flex characteristics than the chassis that comes in the kit.
As for splitting the thread to standup and laydown, I am not for it at this time. I see these two types of transmissions as options available to tune/dial in the car for the track conditions you are racing on.
As for splitting the thread to standup and laydown, I am not for it at this time. I see these two types of transmissions as options available to tune/dial in the car for the track conditions you are racing on.
#3409
Tech Apprentice
Frank nailed it on the head if you're a B-main guy like me. I made the transition to the laydown after taking a ~3 month break - coming back the car felt like a different type of buggy because of my driving skills (lack of...) and rust. Now that I'm 6+ weeks back into racing I see how my times are better with the change to the laydown (I'm now evaluating the dirt tranny).
At the end of the day for me it comes back to driving cleaner/smoother/smarter. The buggy rewards stick time - find a setup you like, stick with it and you'll start to shave those tenths off the lap times.
At the end of the day for me it comes back to driving cleaner/smoother/smarter. The buggy rewards stick time - find a setup you like, stick with it and you'll start to shave those tenths off the lap times.
#3410
This helps, yes I'd say that I fit your description well; I'm in the mix with most of the A Main expert drivers in my area, and starting to get closer with some of the elite drivers, so I might be able to leverage the dirt-laydown option... what I have noticed is that there are times (not very often) where our track gets dusty, or someone might pop a shock shaft and spill shock oil on the track, etc... during those times when traction falls off for most other folks (who also seem to be running laydowns in other brands of cars) my Losi remains hooked on rails. The track I race is sprayed with dirt glue and ran dry which gets very high traction in the summer months, though I'd expect to have to switch back to the standard transmission in the cooler months of winter when traction isn't quite as high as it currently is. There's probably a fine line that I'm seeing where some local expert drivers are inconsistent, they'll take TQ and the win one week, then place 4th or 5th the following week. It only makes me wonder if the laydowns they're running are the reason?
That's an excellent idea! I've used tracing paper in the past to transfer mounting holes for battery trays in nitro to electric buggy conversions, but wasn't sure how I could make that work to line up existing holes so carpet tape seems like the perfect solution... thanks!
That's an excellent idea! I've used tracing paper in the past to transfer mounting holes for battery trays in nitro to electric buggy conversions, but wasn't sure how I could make that work to line up existing holes so carpet tape seems like the perfect solution... thanks!
#3411
Tech Champion
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If someone wanted to tune with chassis flex, then why not make a couple different thickness options in carbon fiber like they do with touring cars?
Speaking of which, there's been a lot of talk about Ty Tessman running inverted shocks at the Nats, what I think would be really cool instead is for off-road manufacturers to take a look at what Awesomatix is doing with their LCG shock system to further carry over high traction racing concepts that have been dominating the on-road industry:
http://jdandracing.blogspot.com/2005...sentation.html
Also note that they already include the MIP Pucks/Rollers style shafts in their kits, that would be a nice feature to have out of the box, or should I say a "Stock Version Kit" with all the lightened drive line parts already bundled so consumers don't have to buy twice to get lightened parts
#3412
Aluminum has flex just like any material. The reason it's used is because it's popular right now. Molded fiber reinforced tubs were superior in many ways (the B5rm still used one).
Awesomatix's design is neat but they're working with 10-15mm of travel? The Predator 4wd chassis used linkage suspension for lcg but it eventually went away.
MIP pucks are also an adjustment but not what the drive line was designed around. They allow the use of alloy out drives but change the amount of bind in the system. Are they popular with modified drivers?
Awesomatix's design is neat but they're working with 10-15mm of travel? The Predator 4wd chassis used linkage suspension for lcg but it eventually went away.
MIP pucks are also an adjustment but not what the drive line was designed around. They allow the use of alloy out drives but change the amount of bind in the system. Are they popular with modified drivers?
#3413
Tech Fanatic
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Aluminum has flex just like any material. The reason it's used is because it's popular right now. Molded fiber reinforced tubs were superior in many ways (the B5rm still used one).
Awesomatix's design is neat but they're working with 10-15mm of travel? The Predator 4wd chassis used linkage suspension for lcg but it eventually went away.
MIP pucks are also an adjustment but not what the drive line was designed around. They allow the use of alloy out drives but change the amount of bind in the system. Are they popular with modified drivers?
Awesomatix's design is neat but they're working with 10-15mm of travel? The Predator 4wd chassis used linkage suspension for lcg but it eventually went away.
MIP pucks are also an adjustment but not what the drive line was designed around. They allow the use of alloy out drives but change the amount of bind in the system. Are they popular with modified drivers?
#3414
is the 4 gear set up really that much better for low traction dirt track compared to the 3 gear for a novice driver like myself ? Or should i stick to 3 gear and practice my skills as i still feel like i am lacking in traction at my local track ?
#3415
Tech Elite
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Ok, you like the tlr3.0 laydown, and that is cool. You say the tlr is the easiest? How so? The yok, xray and AE cars come with laydowns, no need to buy a chassis and etc. You have the b6, but never messed with it, yet the tlr is by far the best? How so? I am all for side by side comparisons, that talk to the strengths and weaknesses of the cars. But your blanket statements are not very well supported in your post. Please elaborate.
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#3416
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Support vs Supported by. I didn't find anything trollish....just seeking additional info. Saying you haven't messed much with the "other" car while saying the current car you've probably put countless packs through is better doesn't say much.
To the OP Rozzy, If you want an unbiased review look up Jason Snyder's videos on Youtube. He reviews both the 3.0 and the B6 (although I don't believe he has done a TLR laydown review yet).
Overall we don't need to litter the 3.0 thread with B6 posts and the same for the B6 thread.
To the OP Rozzy, If you want an unbiased review look up Jason Snyder's videos on Youtube. He reviews both the 3.0 and the B6 (although I don't believe he has done a TLR laydown review yet).
Overall we don't need to litter the 3.0 thread with B6 posts and the same for the B6 thread.
#3417
Tech Champion
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Countless packs on one car vs. the other? Nope. Both cars were built the same 2 day periods, and the same amount of time with them was spent. The Yokomo in fact is the car I have countless packs on, so dont go assuming you know the amount of time I have on either car please.
#3418
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The conversion was done at the same time the B6 was built, it drives nothing like my stand up 22 3.0. Both cars have approximately 5 packs each through them just for refference. And also for refference I thought the 22 3.0 stand up car was terrible when it first came out, so i'm not a TLR fanboi. It took a lot of work to get it figured out.