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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 08-22-2017, 07:09 PM   #4621
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Are there any premounted tires available for the front and back?
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Old 08-25-2017, 09:49 AM   #4622
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I am installing the laydown kit on this truck and cannot get the motor installed, how much did you guys grind away / cut from the side guard?
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I am installing the laydown kit on this truck and cannot get the motor installed, how much did you guys grind away / cut from the side guard?
I installed the motor before I installed the tranny the first time. From there I basically remove the side guard to get the motor out or change gearing.
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I installed the motor before I installed the tranny the first time. From there I basically remove the side guard to get the motor out or change gearing.
All you have to do is remove the 2 waterfall screws on the chassis and rotate the waterfall up. The motor will come right out. This also works great when u sho-goo a fan on the chassis next to the motor.
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Access to the bottom screw is difficult. Not getting the motor out.
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Access to the bottom screw is difficult. Not getting the motor out.
I always take the last screw out of the mudguard on that side and put the allen driver under the mudguard. Still kind of a pain but it works for me.
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Default Installing rear sway bars ....... Help

Ok so I have a 22 3.0 SR with an exotek laydown.
So now the issue is how to install a rear sway bar kit without throwing out the exotek and starting from scratch.
Before you say get a 4.0. I have 2 of them but I want something my grand daughter can drive on turf.

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Has anybody tried using the 4.0 stiffezel parts on their 3.0? I'd be interested to know if they make much of a difference.

I'm still not sold on the concept of a laydown transmission so I'll be sticking with my 3.0 for the time being.
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Old 09-02-2017, 03:28 PM   #4629
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Can anyone point me in right direction with this?

Brought it second hand

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Can anyone point me in right direction with this?

Brought it second hand

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First thing I would look at are the Anti-squat & Toe inserts also that the 1mm shim is on the inner hinge pin.

If that doesn't sort it out new rear arms.

There will always be some movement but that's a little excessive.
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So getting my 3.0 SR ready for the indoor season and just looking for a good starting point.
The Track: Tight indoor Ozite with a 1 big jump, a medium, and a few bumps. Layout changes every week. Fast lap times are between 11 and 13 seconds depending on layout.
The Cars: 17.5 with Slicks

I got the 3.0 SR last christmas and buying a 4.0 isn't in the cards so don't say buy a 4.0 (I like my marriage, I say I need a new car this soon...dead man walking ) I ran it last season bone stock with the kit setup, but have been collecting a few parts to get it ready for this season. I have the carpet laydown kit, a gear diff, front wing, Xfactory kit to relocate the shocks to the front of the rear arms but other than that, nothing (honestly I don't think you need much else, but if anyone has a must have part suggestion please tell and explain why).

Any one got a good setup sheet to start at? most of the setup sheets are Turf running pins or mod class...but nothing that matches what we run on and class we run.
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So getting my 3.0 SR ready for the indoor season and just looking for a good starting point.
The Track: Tight indoor Ozite with a 1 big jump, a medium, and a few bumps. Layout changes every week. Fast lap times are between 11 and 13 seconds depending on layout.
The Cars: 17.5 with Slicks

I got the 3.0 SR last christmas and buying a 4.0 isn't in the cards so don't say buy a 4.0 (I like my marriage, I say I need a new car this soon...dead man walking ) I ran it last season bone stock with the kit setup, but have been collecting a few parts to get it ready for this season. I have the carpet laydown kit, a gear diff, front wing, Xfactory kit to relocate the shocks to the front of the rear arms but other than that, nothing (honestly I don't think you need much else, but if anyone has a must have part suggestion please tell and explain why).

Any one got a good setup sheet to start at? most of the setup sheets are Turf running pins or mod class...but nothing that matches what we run on and class we run.
Sounds very similar to the track I run at during the winter with slicks on carpet, I found this setup to be pretty good with laydown:http://site.petitrc.com/setup/losi/s...ceway20160320/
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So getting my 3.0 SR ready for the indoor season and just looking for a good starting point.
The Track: Tight indoor Ozite with a 1 big jump, a medium, and a few bumps. Layout changes every week. Fast lap times are between 11 and 13 seconds depending on layout.
The Cars: 17.5 with Slicks

I got the 3.0 SR last christmas and buying a 4.0 isn't in the cards so don't say buy a 4.0 (I like my marriage, I say I need a new car this soon...dead man walking ) I ran it last season bone stock with the kit setup, but have been collecting a few parts to get it ready for this season. I have the carpet laydown kit, a gear diff, front wing, Xfactory kit to relocate the shocks to the front of the rear arms but other than that, nothing (honestly I don't think you need much else, but if anyone has a must have part suggestion please tell and explain why).

Any one got a good setup sheet to start at? most of the setup sheets are Turf running pins or mod class...but nothing that matches what we run on and class we run.
My son still runs a 3.0 on carpet. The only other things I would recommend that you don't have listed would be a HRC front pivot the plastic one from the 4.0 don't have to be the alu. one. Then the new front spindles raised all the way up with a #2 arm. Then AE 0 offset spring cups for the rear shocks. (dermal the rear arms for clearness) All the parts allow you to get the car down to 17mm ride height.
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Cool, thanks guys. It's coming together, just got word opening night is October 6th so crunch time is on.
It is going to be an interesting season, last year it was like 15 drivers, and there were only 3 or 4 or us running something other than a B6. This season it will be like 20+ drivers and there will be pretty much every make will be represent.
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Old 09-24-2017, 08:47 AM   #4635
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I am running a 4.0 and just managed to get a second hand 3.0 with laydown conversion for my son to replace my DEX210 that he was running. I still really like the look of the 3.0 and will be interesting to see how it compares to the 4.0. Be good to have two cars on the same platform again



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