ARC Raceway....Temecula CA 2011
05-17-2011, 07:24 PM
#271
Ricky
Sorry for the misunderstanding, like we posted before its our mistake and we most definetly did not want it to turn into this. Once again our apology Ricky if I failed to completly clarify this in the drivers meeting.
Lets leave this here on the thread, where we CAN openly discuss matters, and lets have a great Race 3 of the Spring Shootout Series. We will in NO WAY tolerate anybody acting like a bully or threatening ANYONE at the track! If we here it or sense it you will leaving immedietly!
Yes we changed the track a little, in my opinion it is way better, and it is ready for practice on Wednesday.
Gary Guest
Sorry for the misunderstanding, like we posted before its our mistake and we most definetly did not want it to turn into this. Once again our apology Ricky if I failed to completly clarify this in the drivers meeting.
Lets leave this here on the thread, where we CAN openly discuss matters, and lets have a great Race 3 of the Spring Shootout Series. We will in NO WAY tolerate anybody acting like a bully or threatening ANYONE at the track! If we here it or sense it you will leaving immedietly!
Yes we changed the track a little, in my opinion it is way better, and it is ready for practice on Wednesday.
Gary Guest
Ha and I'm out... peace...
05-17-2011, 07:29 PM
#272
WOW Let's get it out there My name is Anthony Howarth. Harley i could careless who you are, or spend any of my time looking at your lap times. This is no way a attack on you personally. This would have been posted if it was GARY GUEST himself. We have spoken actually right after the race when i asked you if you pitted and you said YES. THis is the reason i have knowledge of the events that night as we were trying to understand where you came from to finish second.This was asked by many of the racer's in your race. Just not to your face like i did. Dan and Gary Had the meeting with you ( ALL THE SPORTSMAN DRIVERS ) and all of the people at my table were told your first race was a throwout among all the racers asking what that was all about. This being the reason other's commented on the points in this thread ARC RACEWAY. That's what the forum's are for communication. Anthony Howarth AKA ON A MISSION
05-18-2011, 12:18 AM
#273
Originally Posted by RickyBobby619
First and for most it was a nitro heat so it shouldn't of had to be announced...
My position has already been clearly stated regarding the fact that in this particular race, for the first time ever in my history of racing at ARC, there was no pre-race notice or reminder that all electric buggies would be called in to pit at approx the 7 minute marker, and in fact I was never called in to pit at any point in this race even though the standard procedure at ARC Raceway since I began racing has always been to receive a pre-race notice and then actually be called in about half-way through the race by the Announcer/Race Director 100% of the time.
Once again, I am not saying this somehow relieves me of my responsibility to make a simulated pit stop, and it is not intended to be an excuse, but rather as a simple explanation about some of the circumstances that were contributing factors in my forgetting to make a pit stop.
... but regardless almost all e buggy drivers know that when racing in a nitro heat get called in for a 5 second hold on the wall why would this race be an exception? That's what I question...
And you are correct, this race is not an exception! When electric and nitro buggies are in the same race at ARC almost all e buggy drivers know they will get called in for a simulated pit stop.
The key words in your statement are "get called in".
I will take this opportunity to also point out that you've never had to hear me whine about the 5-seconds on the wall which I know is giving up some time to the fastest fuel stops of my competitors. In the Sportsman Buggy A-Main in round 2 of this series I was called in to pit with no other cars on pit lane and the two buggies that were approx 2 to 3-seconds behind me also came in to pit, by the time I was counted down and taken off the wall both of these competitors had fueled and were already exiting pit lane back on to the track costing me two positions. Is that fair? Of course not, but it doesn't have any impact on my life or prevent me from having fun racing.
Most times not following rules of a race calls for a DQ not taking off seconds... IMHO?
Not really creating drama... jus putting facts out there and myself and others get it but Wow racing toy cars has resulted in threats?
... I agree but why make threats if it is toy cars and a family fun hobby?
... I agree but why make threats if it is toy cars and a family fun hobby?
I cannot help you with how you choose to interpret things and regardless of any "spin" you may try to put on it, there has been no threats of any kind made by me that have anything to do with the fact that, for me this is a family hobby that is supposed to be about having fun racing toy cars. (although dealing with all of this pointless drama sure is a fun killer)
(Hypothetical)
Suppose you throw the first stone at someone and that person does not throw one back at you, but instead they choose to give you a fair warning that if any more stones are hurled in their direction that will be considered as an offensive and hostile attack by you and that they will defend themselves by any means necessary and that the outcome will surely be regretful for all involved.
Who do you think is in the wrong in this scenario?
Do you consider the issuing of the fair warning to be a threat? I don't.
I consider that to be a form of kindness and consideration. I think the person throwing stones is the one issuing threats and it is their fully informed choices that will control the direction this scenario takes. Don't throw stones, its bad for everyone.
But honestly why was a e buggy in the nitro class when they had there own class?
Again, we are discussing the Sportsman Buggy class, there is no nitro class.
Ever since brushless motors and LiPo batteries became the standard for electric RC vehicles, 1:8 scale Electric and Nitro off-road buggies have been competing against each other at ARC Raceway as well as at the majority of all RC racetracks across the country, in classes that are based on the skill level of the drivers which is the proper way to classify RC racing. The differences in race times/lap times between driver skill levels is enormous and the differences in race times/lap times between a 1:8 scale electric buggy and a 1:8 scale nitro buggy is virtually non-existent. If there is any measurable advantage it goes to the nitro buggies being approx. 0.5 seconds per lap faster on average than the electric buggies (I'd be happy to send copies of the detailed racing data that supports this to any one that wants it).
And you (Ricky Bobby) have been competing in the Sportsman Buggy class against me ever since I first began racing yet I have never heard of you protesting this at any time prior to this. It is interesting though that the first and the only time I have managed to finish in front of your nitro buggy with my electric buggy is also the first time you've chosen to protest about nitro and electric racing together.
(albeit 5 weeks after the fact 
)Yes, there has been a Open Electric Buggy class offered at ARC during the Spring Shootout but that does not qualify as being a replacement for classes based on driver skill level. You should request them to offer a Open Nitro Buggy class which would be the only true equivalent if it is to be fair.
And in the private sportsman meeting I was under the impression that all e buggies running in the nitro class... there first race would be a throwout....
I'm sure most people are tired of this, especially Dan and Gary, (I know I am) with the only exceptions apparently being those who insist on creating the drama by diggin' up bones and makin' mountains out of mole hills... do us all a favor and move on with your life because this horse was beat to death a long time ago. Lets get back to having fun racing toy cars.
05-18-2011, 07:03 AM
#274
Yes, there has been a Open Electric Buggy class offered at ARC during the Spring Shootout but that does not qualify as being a replacement for classes based on driver skill level. You should request them to offer a Open Nitro Buggy class which would be the only true equivalent if it is to be fair.
05-18-2011, 08:41 AM
#275
Not that I really want to get involved, but this statement is completely false. There is a "sportsman buggy" class for any and all "sportsman" drivers but it is definitely implied that it is a "nitro" class. The electric guys race in this class when there are not enough of them to form their own class. In the case of the Spring Shootout, there IS an "electric buggy" class and all "electric buggy's" should be racing that class ONLY. It would be great if there were enough electric buggy's to be able to split the class into skill levels but since there are not you have to race with everyone else that has the EXACT SAME CAR YOU DO. Its kiind of like the good old days when everyone raced each other and if you were the best "sportsman driver out there" you won the "C" main. If for some reason, 10 "Pro" Truggy's show up and only one "Sportsman" Truggy, would it then be OK for the single Sportsman Truggy to now race the "Sportsman Buggy" Class? After all, it is the only class that matches the drivers skill level. I personally think the one single "Sportsman" driver should race with the rest of the drivers that are wheeling the EXACT SAME CAR. That seems fair to me.
I have to agree with Brandon here. This is a no win situation when you run nitro and electric together, especially at a series race with prizes on the line. There are too many differences between the two that cause advantages and disadvantages for both. I can refuel an 1/8th scale in 3-4 seconds, and I know some really fast pit guys who can do it faster, so electrics get penalized 1-2 seconds. I can also screw up a pit stop, cause a flame out, and now it takes 10-15 seconds to get the car back on the track, where an electric "pit stop" can never be screwed up (except by a complete knucklehead).
For regular club race days I don't really care and it has worked just fine. For a series race, just can't do it.
05-18-2011, 10:50 AM
#276
Haha this sh!t is funny... you call my name out and say I have a problem and only bring it up because for once you beat me? When the fact of the matter is you only did because you chose not to pit for one race in the past couple years. So yes you crossed the line ahead of me at the end but in reality only because you didn't stop for your mandatory pit... like I've said I really don't care! The reason I chose to post is because your story was a lil off and thought I would reply with facts I knew... and Anthony Howarth aka ON A MISSION was asking simple questions to Gary and you come in and try to bash him... and I don't care what you say but yes you threw the threat out there for no reason...
05-18-2011, 11:32 AM
#278
This comes directly from Dan Cole Owner of ARC Raceway.
"Its unfortunate that this has to be this way but after extensive thought and reading all theses posts the decision is clear to me. The previous posts in my opinion were direct bodily threats masked in an educated appeal and I will not allow this to trickle into my facility and make any of our racers uncomfortable, or be bullied by personal attitudes during race days at ARC Raceway. We work very hard to privide a good family valued enviroment and I will NOT be pressed to accomodate the opposite at MY place of business!"
"Mr. Hall please e-mail us your address and we will refund your money for the previous 2 Spring Shootout Series races, your points are disqualified and a 30 day break from ARC Raceway is in effect for you, from today May 18 2011 until June 17 2011 Its unfortunate to do this out in the open like this but after careful consideration it is the only way to squash this matter entirely."
"This is my final decision and I, nor any ARC Raceway affiliate will post any further replies in regard to this matter."
"Now lets have a great Race 3 of the Spring Shootout Series"
Sincerely,
Dan Cole
"Its unfortunate that this has to be this way but after extensive thought and reading all theses posts the decision is clear to me. The previous posts in my opinion were direct bodily threats masked in an educated appeal and I will not allow this to trickle into my facility and make any of our racers uncomfortable, or be bullied by personal attitudes during race days at ARC Raceway. We work very hard to privide a good family valued enviroment and I will NOT be pressed to accomodate the opposite at MY place of business!"
"Mr. Hall please e-mail us your address and we will refund your money for the previous 2 Spring Shootout Series races, your points are disqualified and a 30 day break from ARC Raceway is in effect for you, from today May 18 2011 until June 17 2011 Its unfortunate to do this out in the open like this but after careful consideration it is the only way to squash this matter entirely."
"This is my final decision and I, nor any ARC Raceway affiliate will post any further replies in regard to this matter."
"Now lets have a great Race 3 of the Spring Shootout Series"
Sincerely,
Dan Cole
05-19-2011, 03:58 PM
#279
Looking to possibly start racing with my son at ARC and wanted to know how many trucks race in 2WD Spec Short Course class on average?
Thanks,
Steve
Thanks,
Steve
05-19-2011, 04:13 PM
#280
Looking at getting these to race with.
Team Associated SC10RS 1/10 Scale RTR Brushless Electric 2WD Short Course Truck
http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...rce=google_ext
and
http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...rce=google_ext
Team Associated SC10RS 1/10 Scale RTR Brushless Electric 2WD Short Course Truck
http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...rce=google_ext
and
http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...rce=google_ext
05-19-2011, 06:56 PM
#282
Lane changes for this weekend!
05-19-2011, 07:01 PM
#283
More prizes for the Spring Shootout Series are rolling in!!
