eXpress Motorsports
01-12-2006, 08:34 PM
#7203
Jon, YGPM 
01-13-2006, 09:30 AM
#7204
Well our Atlas 19 turns are so fast That The "powers" that be are trying to have them outlawed at our local track. Being fast apparently has nothing to do with how good you wheel or your car setup, its all motor. 
Oh yeah and how good your "boy" can take out the leader. 
Oh yeah and how good your "boy" can take out the leader.
01-13-2006, 09:45 AM
#7207
Originally Posted by L.Fairtrace
Well our Atlas 19 turns are so fast That The "powers" that be are trying to have them outlawed at our local track. Being fast apparently has nothing to do with how good you wheel or your car setup, its all motor. Oh yeah and how good your "boy" can take out the leader.
Oh yeah and how good your "boy" can take out the leader. 
- very well put larry, i could not agree with you more.
01-13-2006, 09:46 AM
#7208
Tags, you got PM.
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01-13-2006, 10:59 AM
#7209
Is anyone from Team eXpress (or anyone for that matter) looking to go to the carpet nationals in California?
I would like to go and found a good airfare rate, but would need someone to share the room/rental car with. Looking for options on expense reduction. If interested, shoot me a PM.
I would like to go and found a good airfare rate, but would need someone to share the room/rental car with. Looking for options on expense reduction. If interested, shoot me a PM.
01-13-2006, 11:46 AM
#7210
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19T
I am posting even though i know i should'nt be.
I was under the impression that Horsham was a Roar track. Which means ROAR APPROVED MOTORS.
If any 19t can be ran, then lets make it a rule and we'll go from there.
If trying to play by the rules and keep everything fair is what you consider"Trying to outlaw" then let just make it an open 19t class.
As for "taking out the leader". Was it done on purpose? I'm sure it was an accident. I dont think they put a "hit" out on you.
I've marshalled my share of A-mains at horsham and i have seen some "hacks" and some "accidents". Sometimes they look the same.
Sarquis
I was under the impression that Horsham was a Roar track. Which means ROAR APPROVED MOTORS.
If any 19t can be ran, then lets make it a rule and we'll go from there.
If trying to play by the rules and keep everything fair is what you consider"Trying to outlaw" then let just make it an open 19t class.
As for "taking out the leader". Was it done on purpose? I'm sure it was an accident. I dont think they put a "hit" out on you.
I've marshalled my share of A-mains at horsham and i have seen some "hacks" and some "accidents". Sometimes they look the same.
Sarquis
01-13-2006, 12:05 PM
#7211
Yes, the Integy 19T motors are NOT ROAR approved. That puts a pickle in it anytime when a track makes rules.
The Integy motors, however, do meet all ROAR specs. That's why we saw no issue in running them. We have no problems running C2s if need be. The Integy motors definitely have different characteristics. You can ask Cuffs on that one. When we walked off the driver stand from one of the qualifiers, we both discussed the difference. The Atlas had more torque off the corner where as the C2 had more straight line speed. It equalled us out during the run.
I don't think running an Atlas motor gives anyone an unfair advantage. It's just another good 19T motor.
The Integy motors, however, do meet all ROAR specs. That's why we saw no issue in running them. We have no problems running C2s if need be. The Integy motors definitely have different characteristics. You can ask Cuffs on that one. When we walked off the driver stand from one of the qualifiers, we both discussed the difference. The Atlas had more torque off the corner where as the C2 had more straight line speed. It equalled us out during the run.
I don't think running an Atlas motor gives anyone an unfair advantage. It's just another good 19T motor.
01-13-2006, 12:09 PM
#7212
Horsham has no rules and are just trying to make some now. The only roar approved 1 19turn motor that is a Trinity motor. Well not everyone has the opportunity to run or wants to run Trinity motors. At the nats they allowed all 19t locked timing motors.
There has been illegal suff going on all year at horsham and I didn't complain once because its CLUB RACING.
The only fair rule is all locked 19turn motors. This isnt a handout track this isnt a big race this is club racing.
Whether it was a purposeful hack or not I didnt need pushed into the boards 10 ft. The gentelman that did it is usually the most clean racer on the track which is why it suprised me. But the congrats the winner got after the race that wasnt deserved made me suspicious. If it wasnt on purpose an apology after the race would of been appreciated.
Its all good if they pass that rule I'll get all the boys to run open mod and just run any 19turns.
There has been illegal suff going on all year at horsham and I didn't complain once because its CLUB RACING.
The only fair rule is all locked 19turn motors. This isnt a handout track this isnt a big race this is club racing.
Whether it was a purposeful hack or not I didnt need pushed into the boards 10 ft. The gentelman that did it is usually the most clean racer on the track which is why it suprised me. But the congrats the winner got after the race that wasnt deserved made me suspicious. If it wasnt on purpose an apology after the race would of been appreciated.
Its all good if they pass that rule I'll get all the boys to run open mod and just run any 19turns.
Last edited by L.Fairtrace; 01-13-2006 at 12:24 PM.
01-13-2006, 12:43 PM
#7213
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Cheating and illegal stuff
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT NO ONE IN OUR PIT IS RUNNING ANYTHING ILLEGAL. PEOPLE ARE IN AND OUT OF OUR PITS AND WE DONT COVER ANYTHING UP. IF THERE IS ANY QUESTION ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW WHO I AM AND WHAT I LOOK LIKE. YOU CAN COME ASK ME OR ANYONE IN OUR PIT AREA.
I DONT MIND BEING CALLED AN A$$HOLE, JERK, ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN THINK OF, BUT DONT EVER ACCUSE ME OR ANY ONE ELSE IN OUR PIT AREA OF CHEATING. ANY ONE AT HORSHAM IS MORE THAN WELCOME TO TEAR DOWN ANY OF OUR CARS WHEN THEY WANT.
SO IF THERE IS SOMETHING YOU NEED CLEARED UP, PM ME AND I GIVE YOU MY NUMBER SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
SARQUIS
I DONT MIND BEING CALLED AN A$$HOLE, JERK, ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN THINK OF, BUT DONT EVER ACCUSE ME OR ANY ONE ELSE IN OUR PIT AREA OF CHEATING. ANY ONE AT HORSHAM IS MORE THAN WELCOME TO TEAR DOWN ANY OF OUR CARS WHEN THEY WANT.
SO IF THERE IS SOMETHING YOU NEED CLEARED UP, PM ME AND I GIVE YOU MY NUMBER SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
SARQUIS
01-13-2006, 01:00 PM
#7215
Tech Apprentice
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Well, well!! This sure is attracting a lot of attention. The origin of this whole debate is the fact that we are trying to align the rules to standardize it for all the racers. NOTHING, I repeat nothing is set in stone yet. The real "powers that be" are still evaluating everything. It has been suggested to follow the ROAR rules to the letter, since we are a ROAR track. However, new information about limited availability of C2's may sway this back to our current rule of 24 deg locked timing tagged 19 turn motors. Our goal is to make a level playing field for all the racers, but not at the risk of alienating the core group of regulars.
The rumor that the reason for this is because of a certain driver's inability to be competitive is absolutely ridicules. Since we have been racing this layout and running 19 turn, there has only been one head to head race. I will once again repeat that we are still considering our options and no decision has been made yet, so don't panic over all the rumors. We hope to be posting some solid rules after this weekend.
The rumor that the reason for this is because of a certain driver's inability to be competitive is absolutely ridicules. Since we have been racing this layout and running 19 turn, there has only been one head to head race. I will once again repeat that we are still considering our options and no decision has been made yet, so don't panic over all the rumors. We hope to be posting some solid rules after this weekend.